Cali is so small that her bladder has to be too and I often wonder what is
reasonable for her. Maybe I am not being reasonable. I have her hold it
for 4-8 hours at night. If she is crated, she will hold it that long but
I
hate to use that. It is actually packed away, which is why she is
tethered
instead.

how small is cali? my little 10 pound poodle had no trouble at all
holding her bladder for 8-9 hours overnight.


Cali was 9 pounds at last vet visit (months ago). She is still pretty thin.
She could use another pound or two.

personally, i would suspect that if she can hold it when she's in a
crate, it's behavioral and not physical. if her body was just letting
go, she'd do it in her crate, too.


if it is behavioral, any tips to increase my sleep and her freedom? I've
tried everything I could think of. I thought she'd stop asking after a few
days of being told NO, but its been about a year that I decided she needs to
sleep thru the night. She's no idiot, so I know she gets it. I just wish
she wasn't so stubborn (even this is just all behavioral).

In article ,
MauiJNP wrote:
is there any other symptoms or tests for "urge incontinence"?

I really don't know. In Greta's case it happened without
her really being aware of it (she was just plain leaky). If
you've ever had a UTI you probably have a reasonably good
idea what it's like, though.
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I think she knew it was coming and even held it long enough to get off
the bed.

How much is coming out?

a midsize amount. Not a ton but not dribbles either.


And don't take this the wrong way (I haven't been following along and I
know you are careful with your dogs' care), but has she been regularly
checked for UTI? Some dogs are prone to it and sometimes the treatment
isn't effective, so after a course of antibiotics, we always had to check
again with Doodle.


she's not been checked in a while. perhaps this needs to be done.

Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply wrote:

My Winnie, may she rest in peace, had post-spay urinary incontinence
starting a few years after her spay. It was treated okay with
phenylpropanolamine hydrochloride, which evidently does not cause
strokes in dogs and is a lot cheaper than replacing the estrogen.

I had a geriatric BC who developed urinary incontinence, probably 9 or
10 years after being spayed. She was also showing some signs of
cognitive disfunction. Proin and maintenence doses of antibiotics gave
incomplete relief of the urinary incontinence.

Because of the pairing of her urinary symptoms and cognitive disfuntion
my vet opted to try estrogen, for its effects not only as a hormone but
as a neurotransmitter.

She wrote Molly a prescription for Premarin to be filled at a local
pharmacy. It wasn't terribly expensive - something like $50 for ninety
..3 mg tablets - a three month supply for a 42 lb dog.

I had been prepared to wait days or weeks or weeks for results on the
incontinence problem, and I didn't really expect a discernable effect on
the senility/cognitive disfunction. However, within 24 hours of her
first dose it was like the lights came back on. She was back to taking
an interest in her surroundings, in competing for petting and food, in
hassling the other dogs in the household. Back to her old, dominant,
bitchy ways. And the urinary symptoms tapered off and disappeared
within about a week.