Hi,
Has anyone heard of a urinary incontinence related to problem with
bladder receptors? Our 4 yrs old spayed female border collie all of
sudden started two days ago just passing urine around the house. Her
urine was checked by vet and told there is no infection. She never had
any urinary problems before. I've also been told this could be related
to an estrogen defficiency, yikes, never heard of it before!
Cheers

My Winnie, may she rest in peace, had post-spay urinary incontinence
starting a few years after her spay. It was treated okay with
phenylpropanolamine hydrochloride, which evidently does not cause
strokes in dogs and is a lot cheaper than replacing the estrogen.

wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone heard of a urinary incontinence related to problem with
bladder receptors? Our 4 yrs old spayed female border collie all of
sudden started two days ago just passing urine around the house. Her
urine was checked by vet and told there is no infection. She never had
any urinary problems before. I've also been told this could be related
to an estrogen defficiency, yikes, never heard of it before!



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work with excellence.

Thanks Melinda. Well there is something new you learn every day. I
headed after work to vet and got the same medication you mentioned.
Happy running in heaven Winnie!

On Nov 26, 6:30 pm, Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
wrote:
My Winnie, may she rest in peace, had post-spay urinary incontinence
starting a few years after her spay. It was treated okay with
phenylpropanolamine hydrochloride, which evidently does not cause
strokes in dogs and is a lot cheaper than replacing the estrogen.

wrote:
Hi,
Has anyone heard of a urinary incontinence related to problem with
bladder receptors? Our 4 yrs old spayed female border collie all of
sudden started two days ago just passing urine around the house. Her
urine was checked by vet and told there is no infection. She never had
any urinary problems before. I've also been told this could be related
to an estrogen defficiency, yikes, never heard of it before!

--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.

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I
headed after work to vet and got the same medication you mentioned.

My 2 yo MALE Golden has been taking it for about a year and a half.
Thank goodness for it, because he was leaking at random, but mostly when
asleep.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article 2007112708593175249-montana@wildhackcominvalid,
montana wildhack wrote:
We probably could have gone
to once every 10 days, but I can only handle daily, weekly or monthly
schedules.

Greta was on PPA, once/day. It worked great up until the
point it stopped helping at all, largely due to advancing DM
rather than a specific bladder problem.

Image is currently getting ivermectin every three days,
which is kind of a pain in the butt to keep track of,
especially since I tend not to know what day it is.
Fortunately my watch has a date function, and for drugs I
start on the 1st of the month and then go to 3n+1 (4, 7, 10,
13, ... ) for the rest of the month.
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

I
headed after work to vet and got the same medication you mentioned.

My 2 yo MALE Golden has been taking it for about a year and a half.
Thank goodness for it, because he was leaking at random, but mostly when
asleep.



Cali has never been able to sleep thru the night. She wakes up several
times to go potty. Since she has turned 2, I stopped letting her out. She
would jump off the bed and pee on the floor. She gets tethered now and
can't do that. She does not pee or leak on the bed. Could she possibly be
having incontinence issues and she's just keeping herself clean/dry by
licking it frequently. She is also not able to be trusted free roaming
while I am gone for long periods (like when I work) unless she is tethered
or crated. How can I tell the difference between incontinence issues or
housebreaking issues? FWIW, during the day when I am here, she goes out
every 2-3 hours. She knows to get my attention or go to the door if I am
not "on time" and she doesn't have accidents in the house. She did have one
recently when I wasn't home but I think that's because my dad forgot to let
her out frequently enough. Also, she refuses to use a pee pad (tried that
at night and while I worked, hoping she could get more freedom) and I think
it is because she knows she's supposed to go outside. Off to research this
topic more I guess.

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"MauiJNP" wrote:

She
would jump off the bed and pee on the floor. She gets tethered now and
can't do that. She does not pee or leak on the bed. Could she possibly be
having incontinence issues and she's just keeping herself clean/dry by
licking it frequently. She is also not able to be trusted free roaming
while I am gone for long periods (like when I work) unless she is tethered
or crated. How can I tell the difference between incontinence issues or
housebreaking issues?

Good question. I attributed the early problems to housebreaking issues,
but realized that it appeared there was no control. In other words,
Rudy didn't position himself at all. He'd wake up in the middle of the
night, stand up and it would just start flowing (he's a full squatter
normally). He would flood his crate if I took more than a moment to
come in the house after being out (in other words, if he had a chance to
wake up and stand up). The real convincing thing was when he was sounds
asleep on the floor with a puddle in front of him, and didn't even know
it.

I would say that Cali's notification that she needs (or wants) to go is
a housebreaking issue that she believes she can just go as needed. I
think housebreaking is holding it even when you really need to go,
within a reasonable time frame (and given water/food patterns, etc).

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Janet Boss wrote:
I would say that Cali's notification that she needs (or wants) to go is
a housebreaking issue that she believes she can just go as needed.

When I was working through Greta's multiplicity of problems,
the internest we were working with at Cornell distinguished
between what he called "urge incontinence" just plain old
lack of control. In urge incontinence the dog is aware that
it has to go but it just simply can't hold it.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

She
would jump off the bed and pee on the floor. She gets tethered now and
can't do that. She does not pee or leak on the bed. Could she possibly
be
having incontinence issues and she's just keeping herself clean/dry by
licking it frequently. She is also not able to be trusted free roaming
while I am gone for long periods (like when I work) unless she is
tethered
or crated. How can I tell the difference between incontinence issues or
housebreaking issues?

Good question. I attributed the early problems to housebreaking issues,
but realized that it appeared there was no control. In other words,
Rudy didn't position himself at all. He'd wake up in the middle of the
night, stand up and it would just start flowing (he's a full squatter
normally). He would flood his crate if I took more than a moment to
come in the house after being out (in other words, if he had a chance to
wake up and stand up). The real convincing thing was when he was sounds
asleep on the floor with a puddle in front of him, and didn't even know
it.

I would say that Cali's notification that she needs (or wants) to go is
a housebreaking issue that she believes she can just go as needed. I
think housebreaking is holding it even when you really need to go,
within a reasonable time frame (and given water/food patterns, etc).



when I tell Cali "lay down and sleep" she does after a minute or two. she
keeps insisting she needs to go out for a bit (by jumping on my head!).
after she gets the idea that I will not let her out, I hear her licking
herself for awhile. When she did have an accident in the middle of the
night, before being tethered, I did not see it to know if she was squatting
or not. But she did leave the bed so I think she knew it was coming and
even held it long enough to get off the bed. Cali likes to mark over Maui's
pee so maybe I can catch some of his and put it on the pee pad. If she
would learn to use that, she gain so much freedom at night and when I work.

Cali is so small that her bladder has to be too and I often wonder what is
reasonable for her. Maybe I am not being reasonable. I have her hold it
for 4-8 hours at night. If she is crated, she will hold it that long but I
hate to use that. It is actually packed away, which is why she is tethered
instead.

I would say that Cali's notification that she needs (or wants) to go is
a housebreaking issue that she believes she can just go as needed.

When I was working through Greta's multiplicity of problems,
the internest we were working with at Cornell distinguished
between what he called "urge incontinence" just plain old
lack of control. In urge incontinence the dog is aware that
it has to go but it just simply can't hold it.


sorry if this is a dumb question but google keeps bringing me unhelpful
results.....

is there any other symptoms or tests for "urge incontinence"?

also does it sound to you like Cali could be having this problem?