"elegy" wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:09:00 -0500, Janet Boss
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In article ,
elegy wrote:


and i think that's the bottom line. i wouldn't say never- sh*t
sometimes happens- but in the vast majority of headlines, it's clear
that some common sense and decent dog ownership practices would have
prevented the tragedy.

yep. I definitely know that **** happens. OTOH, I can tell you that
99.9% of the vicious dog cases I heard, were owner error.

I always said, you could have the meanest dog in the world, and nobody
would ever know it if you properly trained and managed. It really
does come down to owner commitment.

something i see a lot of with well-meaning pit bull owners is that
they ignore and ignore and ignore signs of dog aggression because
their sweetie could never ever be aggressive! and then they get
themselves and their dogs in a really bad situation, not to mention
whatever other dog is involved. i'm sure that's true with human
aggression as well.

(my favorites are the people who insist that pit bulls have to be
*trained* to fight!)

Argh! There is a group of so called trainers around here that spout that
sort of nonsense. When their former students come to my class they get to
here the first night talk that includes keeping fluffy out of the other
dogs' faces. My classes aren't for socialization and the dogs enrolled
should have had that in puppy class.

Beth

"bethgsd" wrote in message:

Presa, Cane Corso, Fila

Or even something *this* cute and fluffy.

http://www.tibetanmastiff.org/photog...lbum=12&pos=22

Suja

"Suja" wrote in message
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"bethgsd" wrote in message:

Presa, Cane Corso, Fila

Or even something *this* cute and fluffy.

http://www.tibetanmastiff.org/photog...lbum=12&pos=22

Suja



I thought about putting in Tibetan Mastiff but decided that they tend to be
less reactive than the others.

Beth

"diddy" none wrote in message
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spoke these words of wisdom in
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Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull?
Inquiring
minds would like to know


Presa Canario


td

"tiny dancer" spoke these words of wisdom in
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"diddy" none wrote in message
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spoke these words of wisdom
in
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Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull?
Inquiring
minds would like to know


Presa Canario


td




I love how "It's not the breed, it's the deed" quickly changes to finger
pointing --- That breed is badder than us! as soon as the door of
opportunity opens.
Presas, Filas, and pitbulls are all bad ass dogs and all should be banned.

"diddy" none wrote in message
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"tiny dancer" spoke these words of wisdom in
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"diddy" none wrote in message
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spoke these words of wisdom
in
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Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull?
Inquiring
minds would like to know


Presa Canario


td




I love how "It's not the breed, it's the deed" quickly changes to finger
pointing --- That breed is badder than us! as soon as the door of
opportunity opens.
Presas, Filas, and pitbulls are all bad ass dogs and all should be banned.


I mentioned Presas because there was a breeding operation run out of Pelican
Bay prison in California, importing and training pressas for *guard* dogs to
sell to various gang and drug dealers.

My point is, you ban pit bulls and those who want bad-ass dogs will switch
to a different breed. Thirty or forty years ago, I don't recall even
hearing about pit bulls. Before their popularity as 'bad ass dogs', they
were just like any other dog breed. Back in the 'olden days', when my
children were babies, I remember hearing on the news about a local family
who's German Shepherd took their newborn baby off a sofa in the living room
and killed it. It stuck with me because I had my own babies at the time.
And the dog in question appeared to be 'just a family dog'. It didn't maul
the baby as far as I know, simply took it by the head and shook it.

I just firmly believe that any sort of banning only encourages those who are
so inclined to either break the law, or switch breeds.

td

"Greens" wrote in message
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You've prevented a bunch of ifs and theories of what kind of animal this
person might have what they might have done if pit bulls werern't
available, but that's not what happened. Pit bulls attacked and killed a
horse. It's right there in black and white.

So what?

Pit bulls (and a few other breeds) are used as hog dogs in the South.
Sighthounds of various breeds are used to run down and kill game (rabbits,
etc.). MANY dogs of any breed, if they are allowed to run loose, will kill
the neighbor's chickens.

Your fearmongering about this is meaningless.


So your argument is that it's all about nurture? You totally ignore
breeding. Pit bulls were bred to be aggressive, to kill other dogs, to
keep fighting no matter how badly they're hurt.

Aggression toward other dogs and aggression toward humans are two different
and unrelated behaviors.

The vast majority of serious injuries and deaths due to dog are because of
owner/handler error.

Also, you ignore the possibility that you might die or get called away for
some reason. You might be forced to leave your pit bull with someone who
isn't as responsible as you think they are or your pit bull might not
react to temporary caretaker the way you expect it to. There was a story
like that a few weeks ago. The pit bulls went nuts.

Please post that link.

You say all breeds are the same, but pit bulls are very athletic and
powerful biters. The result is nastier bites than most dogs.

They are no more powerful biters than other, similarly-sized dogs. The idea
of pit bulls having a gazillion pounds of bite strength is an urban legend.

I guess you don't know what the word irrational means. A fear of pit bulls
is rational. Read some news reports about horrific pit bull attacks and
you will have a perfectly justified fear of pit bulls unless you just
won't admit the attacks happen.

Taking the actions of less than one percent of a breed of dog and applying
it to every member of that breed is irrational.

Why should you be forcing people to trust in you and your dog. The breed
has a reputation. Everyone knows it.

Sure does! Here in the rural South, the pit bull has a reputation as a
fighting dog and also as a great family dog. Remember that aggression
toward other dogs and aggression toward people are not the same thing.

A typical pit bull will allow strangers into the house and tell 'em where
the silver is, lol. They are often very poor watchdogs.

You say your neighbors accept it. The ones that don't, you insult them. In
case you don't know it, by calling them "irrational fear mongers", you are
making light of what they think.

You can't please all of the people, all of the time.

That's because you're a pit bull owning jerk with no consideration for the
concerns and safety of others. Instead of liking a dog that is known to
be harmles,

Whoa! NO DOG IS KNOWN TO BE HARMLESS.

flick 100785

"Suja" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Presa, Cane Corso, Fila

Or even something *this* cute and fluffy.

http://www.tibetanmastiff.org/photog...playimage.php?
album=12&pos=22

On that theme:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Russian_Terrier

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

In article , diddy none
wrote:



I love how "It's not the breed, it's the deed" quickly changes to finger
pointing --- That breed is badder than us! as soon as the door of
opportunity opens.
Presas, Filas, and pitbulls are all bad ass dogs and all should be banned.

I based my "dangerous" on the potential damage a dog can do IF it bites.
If you note, *my* response was "define dangerous". And no dog is
dangerous if properly owned.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
"Suja" wrote:


Someone on the Dane forum is now responsible for a 5 month old Dane pup,
formerly owned by her sister. At 8 weeks old, when she got the pup, it was
skittish and nervous and snappy. At 5 months old, he weighs 65 pounds,
still skittish and nervous and snappy, and bit the 22 year old son who went
to pet the dog. He's now going to be living in a house with a 7 year old in
residence, and the owner seems to be under the impression that this is
something that a little TLC and training won't cure. Me, I'm not sure at
all. At least now she knows what she could be getting herself into.

I think she's an irresponsible parent, but hey, that's just me.
Undertaking a dog with issues is not for the weak of conviction. I am
also of the opinion that an 8 week old puppy with issues is more
problematic than an adult dog who has developed issues. Hardwiring and
all of that.

Still, the nastiest dog in the world, if kept in the right conditions,
will not be a threat to the public. What idiots do in their own home is
their own stupidity.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com