The last story, about an attack on trails in a park, resulted in stiffer
laws about keeping dogs on leash. That's how pit bull ownership ruins it for
everyone. One dog attack and now every dog has to be on leash in the park.
There was no need for concern before this attack and no doubt many dogs and
their owners enjoyed the freedom of enjoying the park without a leash. Not
anymore.

Pit bulls ruin neighborhoods too. If there's a vicious or scary dog on a
street, there's little chance that people are going to walk down that street
if they can avoid it. They're going to drive. The result is fewer people
exercising, more fear, greater use of gasoline for getting around and a
feeling of isolation and resentment. The worst part of it is that this is
something pit bull owners might do deliberately. They want you to be afraid
to let your kids play outside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyZej...php?id=9004040

http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9004040

http://cjonline.com/stories/112307/bre_maul.shtml

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news...24/detail.html

On Nov 28, 3:18 pm, "Greens" wrote:
The last story, about an attack on trails in a park, resulted in stiffer
laws about keeping dogs on leash. That's how pit bull ownership ruins it for
everyone. One dog attack and now every dog has to be on leash in the park.

Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull
and would have raised it just as irresponsibly, doing things like
walking it off leash in public places. The attacks will happen even
if you eliminate pit bulls because it doesn't change the fact that
they occur because of bad owners.

There was no need for concern before this attack and no doubt many dogs and
their owners enjoyed the freedom of enjoying the park without a leash. Not
anymore.

Every breed of dog has the potential to attack someone. If you take a
poorly raised dog of any breed to a public location and walk it off
leash you are asking for trouble. More so if the dog has issues with
strange people, which is a common trait among dogs belonging to bad
owners. Personally, I am concerned about any public place that allows
off leash dogs that is not an area specifically fenced off for that
purpose like a dog park. I still won't step foot in a dog park
because you can't control how other people raise their dogs.


Pit bulls ruin neighborhoods too.

The presence of a pit bull does not ruin a neighborhood. The presence
of a bad owner ruins a neighborhood. I live next door to a church and
I do not have a fenced in yard. On Sunday mornings I can take my pit
bull mix outside off leash with 20+ strange people in the parking lot
that is right next to my yard and he will not do anything that scares
anyone there. He is completely under control because he is properly
obedience trained. His training has been proofed to a much greater
level than 20 strangers who are 30 feet away. Everyone laughs at him
because he wiggles with excitement when he sees the people and
obviously wants to go see them, but he will not leave the yard. As a
side note, I would not advocate this level of freedom with all pit
bulls, but it works for Yoda.

The neighbors on the other side have a fenced yard with a dog that
constantly tries to fence fight with Yoda. Yoda IS dog aggressive,
but he is trained to ignore strange dogs. I can see in his body
language the other dog stresses him and he WANTS to fight with the
dog, but he does not break. It has actually been beneficial for him
because he gets less stressed out by strange dogs now than when we
first moved in.

If there's a vicious or scary dog on a
street, there's little chance that people are going to walk down that street
if they can avoid it.

That is the case with any vicious or scary dog of any breed. What you
fail to realize is that not all pit bulls are vicious or scary. They
may be in your head, but that is because you are an irrational fear
monger.

They're going to drive. The result is fewer people
exercising, more fear, greater use of gasoline for getting around and a
feeling of isolation and resentment. The worst part of it is that this is
something pit bull owners might do deliberately. They want you to be afraid
to let your kids play outside.

Because we own pit bulls, we want you to be afraid of our dog and not
able to walk down the street? I want people to like my dog. He
really is a great dog, and everyone who has given him a chance likes
him(except for one family, but they are irrational fear mongers just
like you). We do our best to set a good example for the breed so that
he can be used as proof that your claims of all pit bulls being
vicious killing machines are false.

Nick

wrote in message
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On Nov 28, 3:18 pm, "Greens" wrote:
The last story, about an attack on trails in a park, resulted in stiffer
laws about keeping dogs on leash. That's how pit bull ownership ruins it
for
everyone. One dog attack and now every dog has to be on leash in the
park.

Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull
and would have raised it just as irresponsibly, doing things like
walking it off leash in public places. The attacks will happen even
if you eliminate pit bulls because it doesn't change the fact that
they occur because of bad owners.


You've prevented a bunch of ifs and theories of what kind of animal this
person might have what they might have done if pit bulls werern't available,
but that's not what happened. Pit bulls attacked and killed a horse. It's
right there in black and white.

There was no need for concern before this attack and no doubt many dogs
and
their owners enjoyed the freedom of enjoying the park without a leash.
Not
anymore.

Every breed of dog has the potential to attack someone. If you take a
poorly raised dog of any breed to a public location and walk it off
leash you are asking for trouble. More so if the dog has issues with
strange people, which is a common trait among dogs belonging to bad
owners. Personally, I am concerned about any public place that allows
off leash dogs that is not an area specifically fenced off for that
purpose like a dog park. I still won't step foot in a dog park
because you can't control how other people raise their dogs.


So your argument is that it's all about nurture? You totally ignore
breeding. Pit bulls were bred to be aggressive, to kill other dogs, to keep
fighting no matter how badly they're hurt.

Also, you ignore the possibility that you might die or get called away for
some reason. You might be forced to leave your pit bull with someone who
isn't as responsible as you think they are or your pit bull might not react
to temporary caretaker the way you expect it to. There was a story like that
a few weeks ago. The pit bulls went nuts.

You say all breeds are the same, but pit bulls are very athletic and
powerful biters. The result is nastier bites than most dogs.

Pit bulls ruin neighborhoods too.

The presence of a pit bull does not ruin a neighborhood. The presence
of a bad owner ruins a neighborhood. I live next door to a church and
I do not have a fenced in yard. On Sunday mornings I can take my pit
bull mix outside off leash with 20+ strange people in the parking lot
that is right next to my yard and he will not do anything that scares
anyone there. He is completely under control because he is properly
obedience trained. His training has been proofed to a much greater
level than 20 strangers who are 30 feet away. Everyone laughs at him
because he wiggles with excitement when he sees the people and
obviously wants to go see them, but he will not leave the yard. As a
side note, I would not advocate this level of freedom with all pit
bulls, but it works for Yoda.

The neighbors on the other side have a fenced yard with a dog that
constantly tries to fence fight with Yoda. Yoda IS dog aggressive,
but he is trained to ignore strange dogs. I can see in his body
language the other dog stresses him and he WANTS to fight with the
dog, but he does not break. It has actually been beneficial for him
because he gets less stressed out by strange dogs now than when we
first moved in.

If there's a vicious or scary dog on a
street, there's little chance that people are going to walk down that
street
if they can avoid it.

That is the case with any vicious or scary dog of any breed. What you
fail to realize is that not all pit bulls are vicious or scary.
I do realize that and it is obvious that any threatening dog is going to
have the same effect.

They
may be in your head, but that is because you are an irrational fear
monger.


I guess you don't know what the word irrational means. A fear of pit bulls
is rational. Read some news reports about horrific pit bull attacks and you
will have a perfectly justified fear of pit bulls unless you just won't
admit the attacks happen.

They're going to drive. The result is fewer people
exercising, more fear, greater use of gasoline for getting around and a
feeling of isolation and resentment. The worst part of it is that this is
something pit bull owners might do deliberately. They want you to be
afraid
to let your kids play outside.

Because we own pit bulls, we want you to be afraid of our dog and not
able to walk down the street? I want people to like my dog. He
really is a great dog, and everyone who has given him a chance likes
him(except for one family, but they are irrational fear mongers just
like you).

Why should you be forcing people to trust in you and your dog. The breed has
a reputation. Everyone knows it. You say your neighbors accept it. The ones
that don't, you insult them. In case you don't know it, by calling them
"irrational fear mongers", you are making light of what they think. That's
because you're a pit bull owning jerk with no consideration for the concerns
and safety of others. Instead of liking a dog that is known to be harmles,
you enjoy the possessing this animal that has a horrible reputation and
parading it around in front of crowds.

There you go. I can cast aspersions on you too.


We do our best to set a good example for the breed so that
he can be used as proof that your claims of all pit bulls being
vicious killing machines are false.

Nick

You imagine yourself to be some sort of saint or ambassador for pit bulls.
I'm guessing a lot of people see you a different way. You're probably an
annoyance at the least. No doubt you have many friends here among the other
pit bull ambassadors. All of you are united in your quest to show the world
that pit bulls aren't bad, but dozens of newspaper accounts tell a different
story.

"
spoke these words of wisdom in
:

Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull? Inquiring
minds would like to know

In article , diddy none
wrote:


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull? Inquiring
minds would like to know

Probably many, in the right frame of mind. Mastiffs or many sorts, Cane
Corso, many giant breed dogs with great power. But, it also begs the
question - define dangerous.

All dogs bite. There are many examples of every breed of dog being a
biter. Some are capable and more likely to inflict more damage than
others.

Properly maintained, socialized, confined and trained, means bites never
have to happen. In other words - it's up to the owner.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
elegy wrote:


and i think that's the bottom line. i wouldn't say never- sh*t
sometimes happens- but in the vast majority of headlines, it's clear
that some common sense and decent dog ownership practices would have
prevented the tragedy.

yep. I definitely know that **** happens. OTOH, I can tell you that
99.9% of the vicious dog cases I heard, were owner error.

I always said, you could have the meanest dog in the world, and nobody
would ever know it if you properly trained and managed. It really
does come down to owner commitment.

The Golden rescue I work with has a few dog aggressive dogs. More and
more common, which sucks. NONE of these dogs have to be put in a
position where they can act on that. NONE. But it takes the right
owner, and those seem to be in short supply. With Goldens, even if the
owner is conscientious, the public can be idiotic.

It's a GOLDEN after all, right? Steer away from the incredibly docile
APBT and go to the dog aggressive Golden. Stupid people.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
elegy wrote:
and i think that's the bottom line. i wouldn't say never- sh*t
sometimes happens- but in the vast majority of headlines, it's clear
that some common sense and decent dog ownership practices would have
prevented the tragedy.

Hear, hear.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Janet Boss" wrote in message:

Properly maintained, socialized, confined and trained, means bites never
have to happen. In other words - it's up to the owner.

Someone on the Dane forum is now responsible for a 5 month old Dane pup,
formerly owned by her sister. At 8 weeks old, when she got the pup, it was
skittish and nervous and snappy. At 5 months old, he weighs 65 pounds,
still skittish and nervous and snappy, and bit the 22 year old son who went
to pet the dog. He's now going to be living in a house with a 7 year old in
residence, and the owner seems to be under the impression that this is
something that a little TLC and training won't cure. Me, I'm not sure at
all. At least now she knows what she could be getting herself into.

Suja

"diddy" none wrote in message
. ..
"
spoke these words of wisdom in
:

Had pit bulls been banned, the owner of the pit bull would have had a
different breed of dog, possibly even more dangerous than a pit bull


Honestly..... What breed of dog is more dangerous than a pitbull?
Inquiring
minds would like to know

Presa, Cane Corso, Fila

Beth

"bethgsd" spoke these words of wisdom in
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Presa, Cane Corso, Fila

Yeah, those count too.