I was watching the dog show on Animal Planet last night and noticed the
"Bulldog" looked like what I know as the English Bulldog. Isn't there an
American Bulldog also, that doesn't have the smushed up face and wrinkles
that the English Bulldog has? I had to leave the TV before the show was
over, so I didn't get to see if there were different kinds of bulldogs. I'm
confused about the dog I saw on the show being called just plain "Bulldog."
We're starting to look into what I know as the English Bulldog as a possible
future pet, so I'd like to learn more about this.
--
Lori in Peoria, IL

"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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I was watching the dog show on Animal Planet last night and noticed the
"Bulldog" looked like what I know as the English Bulldog. Isn't there an
American Bulldog also, that doesn't have the smushed up face and wrinkles
that the English Bulldog has? I had to leave the TV before the show was
over, so I didn't get to see if there were different kinds of bulldogs.
I'm
confused about the dog I saw on the show being called just plain
"Bulldog."
We're starting to look into what I know as the English Bulldog as a
possible
future pet, so I'd like to learn more about this.

The American Bulldog is an entirely different breed. Heck for that matter,
line up 10 random AmBulls and few of them will look like the same breed as
the others because there's that much variation in them. They can look like
Pit Bulls, overgrown English Bulldogs, byb Boxers and any mix thereof and
still be called an AmBull.

--
Tara

But if they're two separate breeds, why didn't they specify "English
Bulldog" on the show I was watching? The announcer on the overhead speaker
said "Bulldog" and didn't specify English or American. Is the American not
recognized by the AKC, therefore no reason to specify? Personally, I don't
care for the look of the American. Just too tall and Pitbullish for my
taste. I like the short stocky wrinkly faced ones. :-)
--
Lori in Peoria, IL

"Tara O." wrote in message
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"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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I was watching the dog show on Animal Planet last night and noticed the
"Bulldog" looked like what I know as the English Bulldog. Isn't there
an
American Bulldog also, that doesn't have the smushed up face and
wrinkles
that the English Bulldog has? I had to leave the TV before the show was
over, so I didn't get to see if there were different kinds of bulldogs.
I'm
confused about the dog I saw on the show being called just plain
"Bulldog."
We're starting to look into what I know as the English Bulldog as a
possible
future pet, so I'd like to learn more about this.

The American Bulldog is an entirely different breed. Heck for that
matter,
line up 10 random AmBulls and few of them will look like the same breed as
the others because there's that much variation in them. They can look
like
Pit Bulls, overgrown English Bulldogs, byb Boxers and any mix thereof and
still be called an AmBull.

--
Tara

Because in the US (where the show is produced), the official name for the
English Bulldog IS Bulldog.

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"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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But if they're two separate breeds, why didn't they specify "English
Bulldog" on the show I was watching? The announcer on the overhead
speaker
said "Bulldog" and didn't specify English or American. Is the American
not
recognized by the AKC, therefore no reason to specify? Personally, I
don't
care for the look of the American. Just too tall and Pitbullish for my
taste. I like the short stocky wrinkly faced ones. :-)
--
Lori in Peoria, IL

"Tara O." wrote in message
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"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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I was watching the dog show on Animal Planet last night and noticed
the
"Bulldog" looked like what I know as the English Bulldog. Isn't there
an
American Bulldog also, that doesn't have the smushed up face and
wrinkles
that the English Bulldog has? I had to leave the TV before the show
was
over, so I didn't get to see if there were different kinds of
bulldogs.
I'm
confused about the dog I saw on the show being called just plain
"Bulldog."
We're starting to look into what I know as the English Bulldog as a
possible
future pet, so I'd like to learn more about this.

The American Bulldog is an entirely different breed. Heck for that
matter,
line up 10 random AmBulls and few of them will look like the same breed
as
the others because there's that much variation in them. They can look
like
Pit Bulls, overgrown English Bulldogs, byb Boxers and any mix thereof
and
still be called an AmBull.

--
Tara






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"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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But if they're two separate breeds, why didn't they specify "English
Bulldog" on the show I was watching? The announcer on the overhead
speaker
said "Bulldog" and didn't specify English or American. Is the American
not
recognized by the AKC, therefore no reason to specify? Personally, I
don't
care for the look of the American. Just too tall and Pitbullish for my
taste. I like the short stocky wrinkly faced ones. :-)
--

The American was known for a long time as just a plain ol "bulldog" and may
still be so in some circles. The AKC doesn't recognize the AmBull. If the
dog you saw was short, stocky and probably wrinkly then it was an English
Bulldog. Its not that uncommon for people to leave off the identifier when
referring to bulldogs, just lumping them all together under one breed name.

--
Tara

"Tara O." wrote
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If the
dog you saw was short, stocky and probably wrinkly then it was an English
Bulldog.


The AKC recognizes said breed simply as the "Bulldog".
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/bulld.cfm

I'd imagine a dog show on TV was probably an AKC show.

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"Tara O." wrote in message
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"Lori Reynolds" wrote in message
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I was watching the dog show on Animal Planet last night and
noticed the
"Bulldog" looked like what I know as the English Bulldog. Isn't
there an
American Bulldog also, that doesn't have the smushed up face and
wrinkles
that the English Bulldog has? I had to leave the TV before the
show was
over, so I didn't get to see if there were different kinds of
bulldogs.
I'm
confused about the dog I saw on the show being called just plain
"Bulldog."
We're starting to look into what I know as the English Bulldog as
a
possible
future pet, so I'd like to learn more about this.

The American Bulldog is an entirely different breed.

No, it isn't. Both are descendants of the original Elizebethan era
English bulldog. When bullbaiting was outlawed, the breed went a
number of ways. Show fanciers bred achondroplastic dwarf bulldogs with
each other, and maybe crossed in some Pug, and ended up with the AKC
recognized Bulldog, a genetic mutant can often not breed or deliver
naturally. Other bulldogs were crossed with large, game, terriers,
eventually producing the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which developed
into the Pit Bull At the same time, lower socioeconomic class working
people emmigrated to the US, particularly to the deep South, and
brought their working dogs with them. There, the bulldog continued
with only little change from occasional crossbreeding. The American
Bulldog, along with the "bullier" lines of Pit Bull, are the closest
living descendants of the extinct original bulldog.

Heck for that matter,
line up 10 random AmBulls and few of them will look like the same
breed as
the others because there's that much variation in them. They can
look like
Pit Bulls, overgrown English Bulldogs, byb Boxers and any mix
thereof and
still be called an AmBull.

They can be called American Bulldogs if their parents were American
Bulldogs. Registration with the American Bulldog Association helps.
The range from the "bullier" lines to the standard lines. Conformation
is more variable because they are, and have always been, working dogs,
for whom performance is more important than how they look.
Conformation shows are relatively recent for American Bulldogs. And,
by coincidence, I just...2 hours ago...came from the American Bulldog
Association 2003 Nationals, held this weekend here in Las Vegas.

David
www.geocities.com/sammiesdad/dogs.html

"Andrea" wrote in message
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"Tara O." wrote
snip
If the
dog you saw was short, stocky and probably wrinkly then it was an
English
Bulldog.


The AKC recognizes said breed simply as the "Bulldog".
http://www.akc.org/breeds/recbreeds/bulld.cfm

I'd imagine a dog show on TV was probably an AKC show.

You're right but the term "English" is generally used in reference (in order
to specify difference) to that type of Bulldog where as the American Bulldog
is totally different and goes by either "American" or just "Bulldog". I
think the AKC should recognize that there are different types of Bulldogs
even if they're not willing to specify the other types.

--
Tara

"David Cohen" wrote in message
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The American Bulldog is an entirely different breed.

No, it isn't. Both are descendants of the original Elizebethan era
English bulldog.

I know their ancestry but they are still different breeds. The American
Bulldog is not recognized by the AKC and does not meet their "Bulldog"
standard.

When bullbaiting was outlawed, the breed went a
number of ways. Show fanciers bred achondroplastic dwarf bulldogs with
each other, and maybe crossed in some Pug, and ended up with the AKC
recognized Bulldog, a genetic mutant can often not breed or deliver
naturally. Other bulldogs were crossed with large, game, terriers,
eventually producing the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which developed
into the Pit Bull At the same time, lower socioeconomic class working
people emmigrated to the US, particularly to the deep South, and
brought their working dogs with them. There, the bulldog continued
with only little change from occasional crossbreeding. The American
Bulldog, along with the "bullier" lines of Pit Bull, are the closest
living descendants of the extinct original bulldog.

But the AKC doesn't recognize the breed of "bulldog" by any other
description than that which meets the English Bulldog in appearance.

They can be called American Bulldogs if their parents were American
Bulldogs. Registration with the American Bulldog Association helps.
The range from the "bullier" lines to the standard lines. Conformation
is more variable because they are, and have always been, working dogs,
for whom performance is more important than how they look.
Conformation shows are relatively recent for American Bulldogs. And,
by coincidence, I just...2 hours ago...came from the American Bulldog
Association 2003 Nationals, held this weekend here in Las Vegas.

But you have to admit that the conformation, not to mention other factors
like energy level/ability are vastly different from the English/AKC type
which makes them different breeds. They share next to no similarities.


--
Tara

"Tara O." wrote
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You're right but the term "English" is generally used in reference (in
order
to specify difference) to that type of Bulldog where as the American
Bulldog
is totally different and goes by either "American" or just "Bulldog".

Well, Lori originally asked why the dog was being called a "Bulldog" and not
an "English Bulldog" by the /dog show announcer/. If it's an AKC show, it's
because the name of the breed is plain ol' Bulldog. *shrug* People could
call them Old Fashioned Flubbernut Hounds in conversation, but hey, the
official recognized name is what they're gettin' called at a dog show. :-D

I
think the AKC should recognize that there are different types of Bulldogs
even if they're not willing to specify the other types.

That's really up to the Bulldog Club of America, not the AKC. They get to
decide what their breed is called. As for an willingness or not to specify
other types, that's up to the various breed fanciers to organize and apply
for recognition. Many breeds don't /want/ AKC recognition. It's not like
like lack of recognitionn is tantamount to pretending they don't exist. They
simply are not part of the organization.

You probably know all that but hey, I feel like splitting hairs today.

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