Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:
Char wrote:
Avid Fan wrote:


What vaccine have you had that protects you for life? I am sure
that if you were exposed to say Polio you will fair better than
someone who never was vaccinated.

Why are you sure of that? No vaccine has ever had a double blind w
placebo study done on it so there is no proof that any of them work.

the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
the United States. By 1965, there were 61.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

If that does not convince you then nothing will.

I do not have access to double blind studies on Polio I am sure they
exist somewhere.

Why are you sure? I'm supposed to take your word for it?

Or maybe the ethics comities did not have the heart to
conduct such trial.

Cervical cancer vaccine I can cite because I was involved with them.

16,000 women double blind, enjoy, now tell me there is no proof that
any of them work. In Australia medication subsidised double blind
studies are the very minimum requirement to get subsidy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...m&ordinalpos=1


It's about time you bring anything to the table! We now have one study
on a vaccine. Yay!

I'd still not have any child of mine get that vaccine. It's dangerous.





the Americas. In 1960, there were 2,525 cases of paralytic polio in
the United States. By 1965, there were 61. Safety.

In 1994, polio was declared eradicated in all of the Americas.

Do you really need more evidence?

The earliest known case of polio is 4,000 years old. Do you really
think that it just decided to disappear.

So you have no proof that vaccines work then. Polio was already
disappearing before the vaccine was given and the vaccine itself
caused many cases of polio.

According to conservative estimates, from 1955 to 1963 more than 98
million children and adults in the United States were exposed
inadvertently to live SV40 because of SV40-contaminated polio
vaccines. SV40 has been shown to be a potent oncogenic
deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) virus and in animal models, the neoplasias
induced by SV40 included primary brain cancers, malignant
mesotheliomas, bone tumors, and systemic lymphomas.

Even the most basic Google search will tell you that Polio is an RNA
virus. SV40 is DNA monkey virus not even remotely related to Polio.
Your link DID NOT MENTION THE POLIO VACCINE AT ALL !!

Yeah, it did. The virus was in the polio vaccine. Read much?


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...3acd8ef1f04399


Vaccination Myth #6:

"Polio was one of the clearly great vaccination success stories..."

...or was it?

Six New England states reported increases in polio one year after the
Salk vaccine was introduced, ranging from more than doubling in
Vermont to Massachusetts' astounding increase of 642%; other states
reported increases as well.

The incidence in Wisconsin increased by a factor of five. Idaho and
Utah actually halted vaccination due to the increased incidence and
death rate. In 1959, 77.5% of Massachusetts' paralytic cases had
received 3 doses of IPV (injected polio vaccine).

During 1962 U.S. Congressional hearings, Dr. Bernard Greenberg, head
of the Dept. of Biostatistics for the University of North Carolina
School of Public Health, testified that not only did the cases of
polio increase substantially after mandatory vaccinations -- a 50%
increase from 1957 to 1958, and an 80% increase from 1958 to 1959-but
that the statistics were deliberately manipulated by the Public Health
Service to give the opposite impression.

It is important to understand that the polio vaccine was not
universally accepted, at least initially. Despite this, polio declined
both in European countries that refused mass vaccination as well as in
those that employed it.

According to researcher-author Dr. Viera Scheibner, 90% of polio cases
were eliminated from statistics by health authorities' redefinition of
the disease when the vaccine was introduced, while in reality the Salk
vaccine was continuing to cause paralytic polio in several countries
at a time when there were no epidemics being caused by the wild virus.

For example, cases of viral and aseptic meningitis, which have
symptoms similar to polio, were routinely diagnosed and recorded as
polio before the vaccine, but were distinguished and removed from
polio statistics after the vaccine.

Also, the number of cases needed to declare an epidemic was raised
from 20 to 35, and the requirement for inclusion in paralysis
statistics was changed from symptoms that lasted for 24 hours to
symptoms lasting 60 days (many polio victims' paralysis was temporary).

It is no wonder that polio decreased radically after vaccines-at least
on paper. In 1985, the CDC reported that 87% of the cases of polio in
the US between 1973 and 1983 were caused by the vaccine, and later
declared that all but a few imported cases since were caused by the
vaccine-and most of the imported cases occurred in fully vaccinated
individuals.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate
subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by
the oral polio vaccine.
Cite please 8 cases per year as opposed to 2,525 is still a victory.
For an early vaccine that has since been vastly improved.

With no proof the vaccine caused the "victory" and much pointing out
that it was not the vaccine at all.



At a workshop on polio vaccines sponsored by the Institute of Medicine
and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Samuel Katz of
Duke University cited the estimated 8-10 annual US cases of
vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP) in people who have taken the
oral polio vaccine, and the [four year] absence of wild polio from the
western hemisphere.

Jessica Scheer of the National Rehabilitation Hospital Research Center
in Washington, D.C., pointed out that most parents are unaware that
polio vaccination in this country entails "a small number of human
sacrifices each year."

Compounding this contradiction are low adverse event reporting and the
NVIC's experiences with confirming and correcting misdiagnoses of
vaccine reactions, which suggest that the actual number of VAPP
"sacrifices" may be 10 to 100 times higher than that cited by the CDC.
For these reasons, the live polio virus is no longer in widespread use.

To be sure, polio as it was known in the first half of the 20th
century does not exist today. However, declines following polio peaks
in the late 1940's and early 1950's had been underway again for a
period of years by the time the vaccine was introduced.

Vaccination Truth #6:

"The polio vaccine temporarily reversed disease declines that were
underway before the vaccine was introduced; this fact was deliberately
covered up by health authorities. In Europe, polio declined in
countries that both embraced and rejected the vaccine."
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...ne-myths2.aspx


You believe what you what to believe. I am old enough to remember the
crippled people hobbling around from Polio.

And?

If you what to believe that
a virus that has been around for at least 4,000 years suddenly decided
to leave the western world of its own accord. Just at the time when a
vaccine arrived then go with God.

You'd think that with your training you'd actually see the truth. Back
to the Vaccine Seminar. Dodd believes vaccines work but that they cause
harm when repeated each year. Almost every state has changed their
rabies vaccine laws so that animals are vaccinated every three years
rather than every year. This study on the rabies vaccine is showing that
immunity lasts much longer than anyone thought. Why did the vaccine
manufacturers not test how long their products work? They most likely
did and didn't report it. This will cost them quite a lot of money as we
realize the injury done by yearly vaccines. Obviously you didn't
investigate this study at all or you would not have responded as you did.

That you didn't know that a immune defense can come about without
getting a vaccine is amazing to me! Wake up and smell the coffee!

In most states it was the vaccine companies that pushed to make rabies
vaccines mandatory and in most cases it was done where there were no
outbreaks of rabies at all or there were a small number of cases. Talk
about a conspiracy! That is easily proven by looking up government
records of rabies cases by year and cross referencing that with the date
the rabies laws went into existence.