On 2/25/2010 10:38 AM, sighthounds & siberians wrote:
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:05:50 -0500,
wrote:


Here are some of your false, misleading statements:

1) kibble fed dogs [all] have health problems that are caused by the
kibble

2) commercial dog food has nutritional value similar to cardboard

3) raw fed dogs do not have health problems

You've been asked countless times to provide evidence to back up these
statements, and yet you haven't. Why? Because you can't.


I never made any of those statements. I see you have to make up stuff to
argue over so I guess you can't find fault with what I really said.

You have, but apparently you don't archive your posts and I can't find
the cardboard post. You compared nutritional value of kibble to that
of cardboard; I certainly didn't come up with that. Anyone can
believe me or not; it's really not important. What is important is
that you stop making sweeping, generalized statements such as:
"Kibble is full of grains which make dogs
sick."

You want me to stop telling the truth? Wish in one hand and **** in the
other and see which one fills up first.

This is not the same as saying that grains can make some dogs sick.
It implies that all dogs get sick when they eat grains, which is
simply not true.

There ya go, inventing things to be mad about. It doesn't imply anything
like that except in your echoing mind.



Kibble does cause
health problems but not all dogs end up with all problems,

Finally.

just like all
smokers don't get lung cancer. I've shown you where grains cause
problems in people (omnivores) as well. It's not limited to carnivores.

No, you haven't "shown me" that; you've alleged that "grains" cause
diabetes in humans. There's no scientific basis for that claim,
either.

Anyone with a glucose meter can show you what happens when they eat grains.


Commercial food is cooked so much that very much of the nutritional
value has been cooked out which is why there are so many additions to it
in an attempt to put them back in. The aftermarket for supplements to
add to kibble is a huge and thriving business because of that. Do you
deny that kibble has many vitamins and minerals added in to try and make
it healthy? Have you bothered reading the label?

Yes, I read labels.

Raw fed dogs don't have nearly as many health problems as kibble fed
dogs do. Allergies go away as well as diabetes, kidney problems and much
more.

Some raw fed dogs don't have as many health problems as some kibble
fed dogs. Some allergies go away. Etc. You can't back up any of
these claims because there has never been a scientific study
establishing that they're true.


And you've never wondered why commercial pet food companies don't put
themselves up against species appropriate diets? It would instantly put
them out of business.

Anecdotes do not equal evidence. If
they did, I could say that the kibble I feed is the healthiest thing
out there because my dogs don't have health problems. And I bet I've
had more dogs than you, so my anecdotal evidence outweighs yours.

You do realize you just contradicted yourself right?


Also, I know of dogs that have had health problems on raw diets. So,
raw food can be bad for dogs too.

I'm not anti-raw.

Bullshit.


I'm anti making sweeping, unfounded statements,
especially in a forum where some people may not know the difference.
That's irresponsible.

You are against making unfounded statements yet you made 4 unfounded
statements. Yeah, that makes sense....