The husband and I were working at our country homestead. we have 4.5
acres...it's some wooded, some cleared. we were pulling logs with the
tractor to the burn pile..there are no neighbors on one side for at
least a mile or so, but on that side, there is a church with a
graveyard (that is our immediate neighbor) on the other side, there
are neighbors, but the lay of the land (ravine and extreme hiway
curve) makes us the focal point in the area. residents in the area
have said that lots of dogs get dropped off around there (i'm
suspecting the church is a good hidden away spot for idiots to dump
dogs)

the tractor is a big diesel noisy thing, so yesterday, while the dh
was on the tractor, i was dragging branches to the burn pile...my
attention was caught by movement and sound...three mixed breed dogs
were advancing on me...barking aggressively. two blond dogs and one
black one. the black one was definitely the ringleader and appeared
to be older. (maybe even the mom to the others) the blond dogs seemed
to be just barely grown up, they were adult physically, but still had
immature nuances about them. the black one was about 40/45 lbs and
the blond ones looked a bit stockier..all looked to be the typical
backyard mix of breeds, I wouldn't be surprised if pits weren't a big
part of the gene pool.

the black one was flanked by the two others, they were in the rear of
her and one on either side. definitely appeared to be a formation of
sorts. the black one was intently barking at me...and when i noticed
her, i was way out in the open..too far to run to the shed or
truck..and the noisy tractor kept the dh from hearing my shouts. this
is the behavior I'm trying to interpret: as long as i wasn't looking
at the dogs, they were advancing and barking, not charging, but
definitely advancing..but if *I* stood my ground and shouted at them,
they looked like anyone's dog, wagged tails, a bit shy..momentarily,
then starting the advancing and barking again...this scenario repeated
itself several times, as i kept trying to get the dh's
attention..finally he heard me and got off the tractor and because
he's bigger or male or whatever, his actions sent the dogs back to the
neighboring church and graveyard (that appeared to home base to
them)
we continued tree work, but i could see the three of them milling
about at the boundary line, there is a ragged tree line.

My dogs meanwhile, were contained in an enclosure and seemed unaware
of all this, or if they were aware, had the sense to keep quiet. dh,
myself and the tractor were in between them and the three uninvited
dogs.

about a half hour later, chills up my spine....the 3 dogs had
returned, even closer and were sitting, very intently studying us.
My guess is that they were backyard dogs..and even tho they weren't
trained or well socialized, they had "some" human contact, and maybe
connected humans with food, but not anything else good...They were not
thin as if they had been without food for a long time...
It was bizarre to say least...and my main concern was that the 3 dogs
didn't approach our two contained dogs and have to deal with some sort
of melee at the enclosure...
Any guesses as to the aggressive, advancing with barking..and then
fleeting moments of tail wagging if looked at? I have tried to figure
out what they were "saying"...
Thanks

"cajunpaisley" wrote in message
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The husband and I were working at our country homestead. we have 4.5
acres...it's some wooded, some cleared. we were pulling logs with the
tractor to the burn pile..there are no neighbors on one side for at
least a mile or so, but on that side, there is a church with a
graveyard (that is our immediate neighbor) on the other side, there
are neighbors, but the lay of the land (ravine and extreme hiway
curve) makes us the focal point in the area. residents in the area
have said that lots of dogs get dropped off around there (i'm
suspecting the church is a good hidden away spot for idiots to dump
dogs)

the tractor is a big diesel noisy thing, so yesterday, while the dh
was on the tractor, i was dragging branches to the burn pile...my
attention was caught by movement and sound...three mixed breed dogs
were advancing on me...barking aggressively. two blond dogs and one
black one. the black one was definitely the ringleader and appeared
to be older. (maybe even the mom to the others) the blond dogs seemed
to be just barely grown up, they were adult physically, but still had
immature nuances about them. the black one was about 40/45 lbs and
the blond ones looked a bit stockier..all looked to be the typical
backyard mix of breeds, I wouldn't be surprised if pits weren't a big
part of the gene pool.

the black one was flanked by the two others, they were in the rear of
her and one on either side. definitely appeared to be a formation of
sorts. the black one was intently barking at me...and when i noticed
her, i was way out in the open..too far to run to the shed or
truck..and the noisy tractor kept the dh from hearing my shouts. this
is the behavior I'm trying to interpret: as long as i wasn't looking
at the dogs, they were advancing and barking, not charging, but
definitely advancing..but if *I* stood my ground and shouted at them,
they looked like anyone's dog, wagged tails, a bit shy..momentarily,
then starting the advancing and barking again...this scenario repeated
itself several times, as i kept trying to get the dh's
attention..finally he heard me and got off the tractor and because
he's bigger or male or whatever, his actions sent the dogs back to the
neighboring church and graveyard (that appeared to home base to
them)
we continued tree work, but i could see the three of them milling
about at the boundary line, there is a ragged tree line.

My dogs meanwhile, were contained in an enclosure and seemed unaware
of all this, or if they were aware, had the sense to keep quiet. dh,
myself and the tractor were in between them and the three uninvited
dogs.

about a half hour later, chills up my spine....the 3 dogs had
returned, even closer and were sitting, very intently studying us.
My guess is that they were backyard dogs..and even tho they weren't
trained or well socialized, they had "some" human contact, and maybe
connected humans with food, but not anything else good...They were not
thin as if they had been without food for a long time...
It was bizarre to say least...and my main concern was that the 3 dogs
didn't approach our two contained dogs and have to deal with some sort
of melee at the enclosure...
Any guesses as to the aggressive, advancing with barking..and then
fleeting moments of tail wagging if looked at? I have tried to figure
out what they were "saying"...
Thanks
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My guess is that when you turned to retreat, they felt they had the power
over you to make you run away and continued to advance upon you, but when
you turned and stood your ground, you took that power away from them, and
they then became submissive and fearful.
A dog that wags its tail can also be a fearful dog, and fearful dogs are
dangerous. A dog that is not dangerous alone can be dangerous when chasing
something amongst a pack of dogs.
Years ago a dog ran at me showing teeth, as if it were going to eat me. I
immediately stopped moving, looked around for a few stones or sticks letting
the dog see me pick them up and then just stood there with them in my hand.
When he saw me do this he turned and walked away. I think it is always best
not to move, but if you really have to, move backwards very slowly while
still facing the approaching dog. If you run from them, you are dead meat;
that is the worst thing you could do. All dogs love to chase.

"pfoley" wrote in message
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My guess is that when you turned to retreat, they felt they had the power
over you to make you run away and continued to advance upon you, but when
you turned and stood your ground, you took that power away from them, and
they then became submissive and fearful.
A dog that wags its tail can also be a fearful dog, and fearful dogs are
dangerous. A dog that is not dangerous alone can be dangerous when
chasing
something amongst a pack of dogs.
Years ago a dog ran at me showing teeth, as if it were going to eat me.
I
immediately stopped moving, looked around for a few stones or sticks
letting
the dog see me pick them up and then just stood there with them in my
hand.
When he saw me do this he turned and walked away. I think it is always
best
not to move, but if you really have to, move backwards very slowly while
still facing the approaching dog. If you run from them, you are dead
meat;
that is the worst thing you could do. All dogs love to chase.

The only time my dog Muttley bit a human was when he was moving away, and I
think he just saw a chance to make his move without being confronted. When
Muttley met him previously, he seemed very fearful, and I was totally
surprised that he acted aggressively. I have learned a lot about dogs since
then. When my friend visited again last summer (a year after the incident),
he was very tentative about petting him, and then he got scared and said "I
think he wants to bite me", and he started running away, which caused
Muttley to go after him. I don't know if he would have bitten, but I agree
that it is better to keep an eye on an aggressive dog, and back away
slowly. Yet it is also best not to look too directly, as that can be a
signal of dominance and aggression, but once a dog starts acting
aggressively it might be too late. Yet, I think most dogs will eventually
develop a little level of trust if you treat them right and give them time
to adjust to you. But my experience is limited.

Muttley met several people and dogs on the NCRR trail Saturday, and he
showed no signs of aggression or reactivity, but he still seems a little
fearful with new people, especially men. He and another little dog sniffed
each other, but as we walked away, the other dog turned and yapped at
Muttley. He just gave the dog a funny look and we just continued on our
way.

Paul and Muttley

To D.D.R: why do you start all of your posts with a paragraph of verbal
abuse? It makes it look as if you are some kind of mental case. No offense
intended. Mike.
wrote in message
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HOWEDY pfoley you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin dog abusin punk thug coward active accute chronic
life long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

"pfoley" wrote in message
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"cajunpaisley" wrote in message
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The husband and I were working at our country homestead.

That's the husband who DON'T LIKE to jerk an choke his dogs.

i was dragging branches to the burn pile...my attention was
caught by movement and sound...three mixed breed dogs
were advancing on me...barking aggressively. two blond
dogs and one black one. the black one was definitely the
ringleader and appeared to be older. (maybe even the mom
to the others) the blond dogs seemed to be just barely grown
up, they were adult physically, but still had immature nuances
about them. the black one was about 40/45 lbs and the blond
ones looked a bit stockier..all looked to be the typical backyard
mix of breeds, I wouldn't be surprised if pits weren't a big part
of the gene pool.

Pretty SCARY, eh, pfoley? What would the ces do? I think he'd
grab a tiki lantern or lawn chair or laundry basket or tennis racquet
and advance on the pack of wild dogs till they retreated an cornered
them an put a backpack on them an take them for a long rollerskate
adventure.

Wouldn't you agree?

the black one was flanked by the two others, they were in the
rear of her and one on either side. definitely appeared to be a
formation of sorts.

Sounds like they've had Ninja trainin, eh, pfoley??

the black one was intently barking at me...

Dogs bark when they're AFRAID. Perhaps the ces would
just say "HOWEDY~!" an make PALS with them?

What do you think, pfoley?

and when i noticed her, i was way out in the open..too far
to run to the shed or truck..and the noisy tractor kept the dh
from hearing my shouts. this is the behavior I'm trying to
interpret: as long as i wasn't lookingat the dogs, they were
advancing and barking, not charging, but definitely advancing..
but if *I* stood my ground and shouted at them, they looked like
anyone's dog, wagged tails, a bit shy..momentarily, then starting
the advancing and barking again...

Well, it seems they musta failed Ninja trainin otherWIZE
they've have turned invisible and walked right up on perry
and swallowed her WHOWEL {}: ~ (

this scenario repeated itself several times, as i kept trying
to get the dh's attention..finally he heard me and got off the
tractor and because he's bigger or male or whatever,

Perhaps their Ninja trainin taught them to recognize a person
who AIN'T a dog abusin coward and they trusted him and went
back to mindin their own business?

his actions sent the dogs back to the neighboring church
and graveyard (that appeared to home base to them)

Do you think Ninja Warrior dogs live in church graveyards, pfoley?

we continued tree work, but i could see the three of them milling
about at the boundary line, there is a ragged tree line.

My dogs meanwhile, were contained in an enclosure and
seemed unaware of all this, or if they were aware, had the
sense to keep quiet. dh, myself and the tractor were in
between them and the three uninvited dogs.

about a half hour later, chills up my spine....the 3 dogs had
returned, even closer and were sitting, very intently studying us.
My guess is that they were backyard dogs..and even tho they weren't
trained or well socialized, they had "some" human contact, and maybe
connected humans with food, but not anything else good...

That's curiHOWES... a dog lover like perry thinkin dogs
would be ABUSED? BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

They were not thin as if they had been without food for a long time...
It was bizarre to say least...and my main concern was that the 3 dogs
didn't approach our two contained dogs and have to deal with some
sort of melee at the enclosure...

Stray dogs seldom attack other dogs on their own pupperty.

Any guesses as to the aggressive, advancing with barking..and then
fleeting moments of tail wagging if looked at? I have tried to figure
out what they were "saying"...
Thanks

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My guess is that when you turned to retreat,
they felt they had the power over you to make you run away

Ahhh yes, you sez so just like the ces, eh, pfoley?

and continued to advance upon you,

On accHOWENTA runnin away triggers PRAY DRIVE?

but when you turned and stood your ground,

And CHALLENGED them?

you took that power away from them,

INDEED? Dog trainin really *IS* all abHOWET PHOWER
and ENERGY, just like HOWE the ces ses, eh, pfoley??

and they then became submissive and fearful.

Oh yeah, almost forgot submission and fear.

A dog that wags its tail can also be a fearful dog,

Or just anXXXIHOWES. Or aggressive. Or very happy.

and fearful dogs are dangerous.

That so, pfoley? Naaah, that ain't true. Fearful dogs try
to ESCAPE. Fearful humans ATTACK {}: ~ (

A dog that is not dangerous alone can be dangerous
when chasing something amongst a pack of dogs.

Oh? Oh, you mean kinda like HOWE a 'not dangerHOWES'
dog can be made to attack while in PRAY DRIVE i.e.,
CHASING, pfoley?

Years ago a dog ran at me showing teeth,

Musta been a EXXXCELLENT judge of character.

Perhaps he lacked Ninja trainin? OtherWIZE he'd of turned
invisible an sneaked up on you an swallowed your stainkin
arse WHOWEL {}: ~ (

as if it were going to eat me.

That'd be a BLESSIN for your own fear aggressive dogs, pfoley.

I immediately stopped moving, looked around for a few
stones or sticks letting the dog see me pick them up

You think the dog knew that when human dog
lovers pick up a rock they'll throw it at them?

and then just stood there with them in my hand.

Did you have your putz in your other hand, pfoley?

When he saw me do this he turned and walked away.

Ahhh, he figgered you was just a harmless
frightened nekkid woodslands critter.

I think it is always best not to move,

INDEED? Oh, you mean on accHOWENTA when you
DON'T MOVE you WON'T TRIGGER PRAY DRIVE?

but if you really have to, move backwards very slowly

You mean, like as if you was tryin to ESCAPE?

Didn't you sez THAT would TRIGGER PRAY DRIVE, pfoley?

while still facing the approaching dog.

Do you think dogs don't know you can RUN BACKWARDS too?

If you run from them, you are dead meat;

So, you walk backwards and you are LIVE MEAT?

Whereas if you STAND STILL the dog will IGNORE
you, thinkin you're a TREE?

that is the worst thing you could do.

You mean, WALKING or RUNING is the worst choice?

All dogs love to chase.

INDEED? But NOT if you're walkin or runnin backwards?

Perhaps you should take lessons on dog behavior and
study actin like a tree or maybe just attack any dog that
scares you an teach them a lesson on dominance and
submission or just IGNORE them an STAND STILL?

Well, pfoley, thanks for all your ADVICE {}: ~ )

BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!