If you've seen this, would an 8-week or so puppy be that motionless if
held like that? Even before I'd read speculation that it was already
dead the first thing I noticed was that it looked oddly still.

The sound could have been dubbed in. Cruel ******* if it's not fake,
complete dumbass if it is.

"HiC" wrote in message
...
If you've seen this, would an 8-week or so puppy be that motionless if
held like that? Even before I'd read speculation that it was already
dead the first thing I noticed was that it looked oddly still.

The sound could have been dubbed in. Cruel ******* if it's not fake,
complete dumbass if it is..

I couldnt bring myself to watch the video . Poor pup.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...uppy_video.htm

Alison said
I couldn't bring myself to watch the video. Poor pup.
_________________________
I agree it is so very sad. I would really like this Marine to be
punished severely for the crime of tossing this pup, like it was
garbage. I don't mind if the camera man and the laughing idiot that
observed the event go down with him. The Marines are investigating?
Ha!
The pup was one more victim of war imo. I don't know if the idiot that
did this would have done so in a different environment. Also, another
reason for the people of this country to hate us.


Be Free.....Judy

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:01:57 -0500, (Judith
Althouse) wrote:

[...]
I agree it is so very sad. I would really like this Marine to be
punished severely for the crime of tossing this pup, like it was
garbage. I don't mind if the camera man and the laughing idiot that
observed the event go down with him. The Marines are investigating?
Ha!

I can assure you, Judy, that if the video is real, or even if it's a
fake (like many people suspect), he'll be (as well as anyone
associated with this) the sorriest SOB on the planet.

But since your sorry self-loathing anti-American ass always likes to
dump on the military (the very same people putting their lives on the
line, so that you can make an ass out of yourself), here's a few words
from a friend:
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/0...ion-puppy.html

spit

The pup was one more victim of war imo. I don't know if the idiot that
did this would have done so in a different environment. Also, another
reason for the people of this country to hate us.

What do you suppose they think about *these* Marines?
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/0...s-send-ho.html

Freakin' maroon.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Yo! Kevin! *This* is a brave woman. Your buddy Melinda is just a garden-variety bully.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1704.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...0F6B1E68BE.htm

An Open Letter to Barack Obama (from a member of the UCC):
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12835

A book that every American should read (and NYT #1 bestseller): Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis.../dp/0385511841

HJM said in part...
I can assure you, Judy, that if the video is real, or even if it is
fake, (like many people suspect) he'll be (as well as anyone associated
with this) the sorriest SOB on the planet.
But since your sorry self-loathing anti-American ass likes to dump on
the military..................
------------------------------------
HJM, You can't assure me of a damn thing. Does the Marine Corp consult
with you before handing down a decision? I am very weary of your lies,
of you twisting every thing I say. I do not have any trouble speaking
up for myself.
I have compassion for our Military. I think they are treated poorly.
Maybe that is why they are commiting suicide at a record rate upon
returning from the war?
This is what I am against, the ****ING war, got it, get it? I hate
this war, and whatever war (the powers that be) have dreamed up for us.
Get it?
www.UnitedForPeace.org


Be Free.....Judy

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:00:54 -0500, (Judith
Althouse) wrote:

HJM said in part...
I can assure you, Judy, that if the video is real, or even if it is
fake, (like many people suspect) he'll be (as well as anyone associated
with this) the sorriest SOB on the planet.
But since your sorry self-loathing anti-American ass likes to dump on
the military..................
------------------------------------
HJM, You can't assure me of a damn thing. Does the Marine Corp consult
with you before handing down a decision?

No, but I know how they treat a scumbag who really would do something
like this, and trust me, you wouldn't want to be him, or anyone else
associated with this (if it's real, and not a fake).

I am very weary of your lies,

But not as weary as I am of your love for our enemies and your hatred
of the men and women who risk everything, to make it free for you to
make a buffoon of yourself.

of you twisting every thing I say.

I didn't twist anything you said.

Go back and read your drivel, and see for yourself.

You sound just like those commie pinko scumbags who *bombed* those
recruiting offices in New York and Denver recently.

"Peace" activists, my hairy Irish ass.

I have compassion for our Military.

No, you don't. You don't know diddly squat about them, otherwise you
wouldn't have laughed at the thought of a "Marine investigation."

I think they are treated poorly.

They're treated just like soldiers, marines, sailors, airmen, etc.
have been treated since Day One. No, they don't get to live high on
the hog, but they usually get by just fine, because they're doing it
for you, and for their country.

Maybe that is why they are commiting suicide at a record rate upon
returning from the war?

That's hogwash, but it shows me just how ignorant you are about things
that are going on in the world.

"The suicide rate among the troops, adjusted for sex and age is now
almost as high as it is in the general civilian population. From a
prewar level of 12 per 100,000, the rate has risen to 17.5 per
100,000. By comparison, the adjusted rate in the civilian population
is 20 per 100,000."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24916

Yes, soldiers commit suicide, they have very stressful jobs. But
pizza makers, tailors, cab drivers, machinists, bank tellers,
housewives, business executives, movie stars, etc. commit suicide,
too.

This is what I am against, the ****ING war, got it, get it?

You have a right to be against the war, but you don't have a right to
disparage the men and women who are fighting it.

Freeloaders like you, like to enjoy all the benefits of living in a
free society, and the greatest country on earth, but you refuse to
acknowledge the many sacrifices that soldiers, marines, sailors, and
airmen have made over the years, so that people like you can spit on
them when they get home, or demoralize them when they're in a foreign
country fighting to keep America safe.

And here's what I have to say about people like you:

spit

Got it?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Yo! Kevin! *This* is a brave woman. Your buddy Melinda is just a garden-variety bully.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1704.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...0F6B1E68BE.htm

An Open Letter to Barack Obama (from a member of the UCC):
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12835

A book that every American should read (and NYT #1 bestseller): Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis.../dp/0385511841

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:00:54 -0500, (Judith
Althouse) wrote:

HJM said in part...
I can assure you, Judy, that if the video is real, or even if it is
fake, (like many people suspect) he'll be (as well as anyone associated
with this) the sorriest SOB on the planet.
But since your sorry self-loathing anti-American ass likes to dump on
the military..................
------------------------------------
HJM, You can't assure me of a damn thing. Does the Marine Corp consult
with you before handing down a decision?

No, but I know how they treat a scumbag who really would do something
like this, and trust me, you wouldn't want to be him, or anyone else
associated with this (if it's real, and not a fake).



Sorry Jack, but I have to agree with Judy on this one. My faith in the
ability of the Marines to investigate one of their own isn't too strong
right now. Oh, I'm sure they will make noise on this one because of the
publicity surrounding it. But we are in the middle of a Marine
investigation locally, a marine who was accused of rape by a fellow marine.
The marine corps did not do anything to protect this woman. In fact she was
forced to carry on her command in contact with this guy and his friends.
She was forced to move off base because of harrassment. When she 'went
missing' a day or two before she was finally to give testimony concerning
the charges, the marine corps did not cooperate with local LE until it was
absolutely necessary for them to give info on the rape charges. Long story
short, the female and the nearly full term child she was carrying, a result
of the rape, were found murdered and burned in a fire pit in this guys back
yard. The delay tactics of the marines allowed him to escape to his native
mexico, where he is being *sheltered* by his relatives. Still no justice
for Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and her unborn child.


Cpl. Cesar Laurean is charged with first-degree murder in the death of
20-year-old Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

Her body and that of her unborn baby were found charred and buried in
Laurean's backyard in January.

Investigators believe Laurean fled to his native Mexico.

He left a note claiming Lauterbach had slit her throat, but an autopsy found
the woman died of blunt force trauma.


http://www.digtriad.com/news/local_s...99161&catid=57


Laurean and his buddies had a couple parties, complete with bon-fires,
bon-fires on Christmas Day evening, on the body of Maria Lauterbach and her
unborn infant. When her grave was unearthed, the sheriff broke down
describing what he saw in that burn pit. And because Laurean was able to
escape to Mexico, the local DA has had to forgo asking for the DP in this
case *if* Laurean is captured in Mexico, because Mexico will not extradite
anyone who faces death.

Why this asshole was NOT confined to the base until this investigation was
complete, you'll have to ask the marine commander at Cherry Point that
question.

IIRC, Maria Lauerbachs father was an officer in the United States Air Force


http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/78507/


Jacksonville, N.C. - Military officials were investigating two Marines after
death threats were posted to an Internet memorial Web site for slain Marine
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and her unborn child, according to published
reports.

The Jacksonville Daily News reports that a Feb. 5 post to the "Maria
Lauterbach Memorial Page" on MySpace.com told its creator to "Shut up or get
cut up." The post was made in the name of Ron Parikh.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2417766/



td

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:34:37 -0500, "tiny dancer"
wrote:

[...]
No, but I know how they treat a scumbag who really would do something
like this, and trust me, you wouldn't want to be him, or anyone else
associated with this (if it's real, and not a fake).

Sorry Jack, but I have to agree with Judy on this one. My faith in the
ability of the Marines to investigate one of their own isn't too strong
right now.

Why? Do you think the Marines condone this kind of behavior?

Oh, I'm sure they will make noise on this one because of the
publicity surrounding it. But we are in the middle of a Marine
investigation locally, a marine who was accused of rape by a fellow marine.

So what? Marines aren't angels, TD. They're human beings, and they
suffer the same failings that civilians suffer.

The marine corps did not do anything to protect this woman.

What would you have had them do? There was evidence that the two
maintained some kind of relationship after her original rapes charges
were filed. That may have lead investigators to assume that it may
not have been a rape, but something else.

Who knows for sure? Everything is pretty much conjecture at this
point.

In fact she was
forced to carry on her command in contact with this guy and his friends.

That's because she was a Marine. What exactly was the Corps supposed
to do?

She was forced to move off base because of harrassment. When she 'went
missing' a day or two before she was finally to give testimony concerning
the charges, the marine corps did not cooperate with local LE until it was
absolutely necessary for them to give info on the rape charges. Long story
short, the female and the nearly full term child she was carrying, a result
of the rape, were found murdered and burned in a fire pit in this guys back
yard. The delay tactics of the marines allowed him to escape to his native
mexico, where he is being *sheltered* by his relatives. Still no justice
for Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and her unborn child.

Yes, I'm very familiar with the case. It's a horrible tragedy. And
it's been all over the news.

Horrible tragedies happen in every American city, every single day,
and Marines have absolutely nothing to do with them.

But Laurean's lawyers (yes, even Marines are entitled to lawyers) were
able to stall the investigation (they were waiting for the results of
their own internal investigation) long enough for Laurean to high tail
it to Mexico. How would the Corps have known he would do that?

Again, the Marines aren't infallible, and they normally don't have the
resources that most legal jurisdictions have, but they do the best
they can under the circumstances. There is a war going on, right?

Why this asshole was NOT confined to the base until this investigation was
complete,

Probably because the Corps *had* already separated the two (contrary
to your claim above), and had *ordered* Laurean to stay away from her,
and felt that was sufficient.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...g-marine_N.htm

you'll have to ask the marine commander at Cherry Point that
question.

You also might want to ask the local sheriff's office why *he* took so
long to act, after she was reported missing.

Looks to me like there's a lot of blame to go around here.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Yo! Kevin! *This* is a brave woman. Your buddy Melinda is just a garden-variety bully.
http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1704.htm
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...0F6B1E68BE.htm

An Open Letter to Barack Obama (from a member of the UCC):
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12835

A book that every American should read (and NYT #1 bestseller): Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis.../dp/0385511841

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 6 Mar 2008 21:34:37 -0500, "tiny dancer"
wrote:

[...]
No, but I know how they treat a scumbag who really would do something
like this, and trust me, you wouldn't want to be him, or anyone else
associated with this (if it's real, and not a fake).

Sorry Jack, but I have to agree with Judy on this one. My faith in the
ability of the Marines to investigate one of their own isn't too strong
right now.

Why? Do you think the Marines condone this kind of behavior?


I think, from the link I posted concerning sexual assaults in the military,
it is pretty common behavior, unfortunately.



Oh, I'm sure they will make noise on this one because of the
publicity surrounding it. But we are in the middle of a Marine
investigation locally, a marine who was accused of rape by a fellow
marine.

So what? Marines aren't angels, TD. They're human beings, and they
suffer the same failings that civilians suffer.

That's true, but *usually* civilians don't seem to have that many 'friends'
who will help them. Yes, sometimes, but that isn't the norm in my
experience.




The marine corps did not do anything to protect this woman.

What would you have had them do? There was evidence that the two
maintained some kind of relationship after her original rapes charges
were filed. That may have lead investigators to assume that it may
not have been a rape, but something else.

There was no relationship after the rape. Those rumors were dispelled in
the resultant investigation. Everyone who had personal contact with Maria
attested to that. Even the person who was assigned as her counselor. There
were reports that she was harrassed on base. Resulting in her moving off
base, in with a fellow marine who offered her shelter from the harrassment.



Who knows for sure? Everything is pretty much conjecture at this
point.

Except for the fact that she is dead, and the nearly full term baby is also
dead. She always maintained she was raped. And to those she was close to,
she maintained she was afraid. She was threatened, much like the threats
posted to her Memorial page online.


snipped
Horrible tragedies happen in every American city, every single day,
and Marines have absolutely nothing to do with them.

But Laurean's lawyers (yes, even Marines are entitled to lawyers) were
able to stall the investigation (they were waiting for the results of
their own internal investigation) long enough for Laurean to high tail
it to Mexico. How would the Corps have known he would do that?


My opinion............once it became evident that Maria was missing, Laurean
should have been confined to base. After he took off, his wife was confined
to base. There was evidence that foul play was involved. There was bank
video of Laurean using her bank card on two occasions. One of them right
around Christmas, after she had been missing for 10 days. And that there
was no activity on any of her credit cards.



Again, the Marines aren't infallible, and they normally don't have the
resources that most legal jurisdictions have, but they do the best
they can under the circumstances. There is a war going on, right?

Why this asshole was NOT confined to the base until this investigation was
complete,

Probably because the Corps *had* already separated the two (contrary
to your claim above), and had *ordered* Laurean to stay away from her,
and felt that was sufficient.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...g-marine_N.htm


The article you posted was one of the earliest written after her body was
found. It doesn't contain the later information available. the admissions
by the sheriff that his attempts to gain information from the base were
thwarted, and the admissions by various base personnel that 'they weren't
made aware of the rape charges pending against Laurean.' If this was a
civilian, and he was involved in rape charges against a female who suddenly
'went missing' a day or two before she was to give evidence, you can bet LE
would have zeroed in on him as a POI immediately.



you'll have to ask the marine commander at Cherry Point that
question.

You also might want to ask the local sheriff's office why *he* took so
long to act, after she was reported missing.

The local sheriff, after the body was discovered, detailed his attempts to
gain information from the marine base and marine commanders. He also
detailed how his attempts were thwarted. The fact that Maria was missing
wasn't reported to his office until nearly a week after she was gone. He
also held a news conference following the discovery of Maria's body, and
following the autopsy results being released. He detailed the fact that at
prior news conferences, he was kept from answering questions relating to the
rape, and Laureans involvement with Maria by Laureans attorney's, who were
standing right beside him.

I know Maria was long dead by this time, but what most of us want to know is
*why* Laurean wasn't confined to base that last week before he took off?
When it was evident by all the facts known, that foul play was involved in
her disappearance. I can't recall all the details now, but there were
statements made by various marine commanders that 'they weren't even aware
of the sexual assault allegations at the time the Sheriff was attempting to
conduct his investigation. '

Yes, it was big news in this area because Maria's family was searching for
her, law enforcement was searching for her, it was Christmas time, people
were searching for, hopefully, a newborn infant somewhere.

It was also reported that Laureans wife took the note she found to military
authorities first, and that there was a five hour gap between then and the
time the sheriff was notified, giving Laurean a five hour head start on his
escape.



Looks to me like there's a lot of blame to go around here.




I'm sure there is. But like I said, I'd like to know why Laurean wasn't
confined to base once it became evident that a crime had been committed
against Maria? I'm not saying they should have confined him to base since
the rape allegation, but certainly they should have the last week before he
took off. The sheriff couldn't get a search warrant, but the marines could
have confined him to base. Lot's of people besides Laurean were involved in
or had knowledge of things concerning her disappearance and those people
were all marines. His own wife was reported by neighbors to be repainting
the inside of the residence after Christmas, painting over the blood
spatter. The neighbors also reported the numerous bon fires in the back
yard. Once the sheriffs office was granted a search warrant for Laureans
property, they found the body in record time. Right where those bon fires
were.

Yes, I know these sorts of things happen everyday, but they *usually*
aren't hampered by two separate jurisdictions not working together.
Civilian and military, I mean. JMO


td

In article ,
tiny dancer wrote:
There was no relationship after the rape. Those rumors were dispelled in
the resultant investigation.

"Resulting." Anyway, sorry, but I think your treatment of
these tragedies as an entertainment source is pretty sick.

And I'm still unclear on why you're not willing to put the
same effort into learning something about dogs as you are
into studying the minutae of murders, rapes, trials, and so
on.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

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