"Suja" wrote in
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Also, any ideas for making it look less like I'm growing a horn on my
forehead 'cause my dog heard something and jumped a foot in the air,
clocking me with her thick old head right when I'm bent over and
brushing her, is much appreciated.


Argh, I've had a lot of dog injuries from Miss Queenerton. I can't even
imagine the damage a pony could cause!

--
Catherine
& Zoe, Queenie, & Max, 3 black dogs of varying sizes
& Rosalie the calico cat
www.ourladyofperfection.blogspot.com

but you can't make him drink, apparently.

All of yesterday, Khan wouldn't pee. He wouldn't drink anything unless I
trick him, so it figures that he wouldn't pee. The vet seems to think that
the slurping action is probably painful for him, hence the refusal to drink.
Last night, I kept feeding him a slurry, managed to get about 750 mls of
water into him, and he finally peed. I've given him about 350 mls so far
today, and need to get more into him.

So far, he's turned down chicken broth, beef broth, and gatorade. He will
eat/drink if I mix up canned food, yogurt and dilute with water, although
there appears to be some sort of a threshold beyond which he thinks it isn't
worthwhile. I can't keep feeding him, 'cause he'll turn into a whale in
another couple of days. Or maybe I should let him turn into a whale and
deal with it later. Ideas?

Also, any ideas for making it look less like I'm growing a horn on my
forehead 'cause my dog heard something and jumped a foot in the air,
clocking me with her thick old head right when I'm bent over and brushing
her, is much appreciated.

Suja

"Suja" wrote in news:638at4F26m7vkU1
@mid.individual.net:

Ideas?

Did the vet take a stab at how long this might go on?

If it's going to be short term, I'd probably monitor closely but not
try to force the issue. I'd give him a chance to drink some broth or
something tasty a couple of times a day, maybe, and add water to his
kibble + yogurt. I'd be leery of creating long term expectations for
special treatment, though.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Suja wrote:
but you can't make him drink, apparently.

Do you know why Khan isn't drinking? (Did I miss a post?) Does
warming his food/slurry help?

Also, any ideas for making it look less like I'm growing a horn on my
forehead 'cause my dog heard something and jumped a foot in the air,
clocking me with her thick old head right when I'm bent over and brushing
her, is much appreciated.

No, but I can offer company. Oppie gave me a fat lip last week
when he tossed up his cement-block head just as I was bending
over him.

FurPaw

--
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched,
every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense
a theft from those who hunger and are not fed,
those who are cold and are not clothed."
- Dwight D. Eisenhower

To reply, unleash the dogs.

My neighbor's dog got old and had a deterioration of kidney function,
leaving the dog dehydrated chronically. The vet prescribed Ringer's
intravenous solution, and he used to insert a needle-catheter thingy
subcutaneously into the dogs hide, on it's dorsal area, and let the fluid
flow into the dog's body that way. There would be a small bump for a few
minutes, and then the H2O solution would disperse and enter the dogs
circulatory sysytem. The dog seemed not to feel any discomfort, and never
shied away from the procedure( my dog would refuse to stand still for it by
default). It might work, and I am surprised your dog's doctor hasn't
already discussed it with you. Mike.
"Suja" wrote in message
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but you can't make him drink, apparently.

All of yesterday, Khan wouldn't pee. He wouldn't drink anything unless I
trick him, so it figures that he wouldn't pee. The vet seems to think
that
the slurping action is probably painful for him, hence the refusal to
drink.
Last night, I kept feeding him a slurry, managed to get about 750 mls of
water into him, and he finally peed. I've given him about 350 mls so far
today, and need to get more into him.

So far, he's turned down chicken broth, beef broth, and gatorade. He will
eat/drink if I mix up canned food, yogurt and dilute with water, although
there appears to be some sort of a threshold beyond which he thinks it
isn't
worthwhile. I can't keep feeding him, 'cause he'll turn into a whale in
another couple of days. Or maybe I should let him turn into a whale and
deal with it later. Ideas?

Also, any ideas for making it look less like I'm growing a horn on my
forehead 'cause my dog heard something and jumped a foot in the air,
clocking me with her thick old head right when I'm bent over and brushing
her, is much appreciated.

Suja

In article ,
Suja wrote:
Or maybe I should let him turn into a whale and
deal with it later.

That's one I'd give serious consideration. I'd also give
serious consideration to increasing the number of meals,
reducing the amount fed at each meal, and having him get all
his nutrition in the form of a slurry.

If you're really concerned about it you can always go the
sub-q saline route. I'd try to get liquids in him the
old-fashioned way, though. I might also try a fish broth.
They can be pretty stinky. Maybe some low-sodium gefilte
fish in a gel, mash up the fish and dilute the gel like
crazy. Throw on a little horseradish (-kidding).
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

In article ,
Suja wrote:
I was concerned enough that I called my SIL (human dentist) to talk to her
about extractions. She thinks that yes, it probably hurts, but with the
pain meds, more than likely not as much as he's making it seem like, so
there may be some angling for special treatment already.

Do dogs get dry socket?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Shelly" wrote in message:

Did the vet take a stab at how long this might go on?

He's supposed to be slowly getting back to normal, any time now. She was
concerned enough about his lack of water intake (and output) that she
suggested I get it into him somehow, or bring him in for an IV. He is so
terribly stressed and worried right now, that the last thing I want to do is
take him back for further poking and prodding. I should just not look into
those big ole saucer-y, accusing eyes. He's back to acting like the sky's
falling, but this time, it's all my fault. All the sass is gone, as is his
voice, except for the whining in different octaves.

If it's going to be short term, I'd probably monitor closely but not
try to force the issue. I'd give him a chance to drink some broth or
something tasty a couple of times a day, maybe, and add water to his
kibble + yogurt.

I'm soaking the kibble in water, adding cooked up mushy chicken and rice,
yogurt, canned food slurry, anything that will get him to keep hydrated.
The procedure was really hard on him. They went in to extract one tooth and
ended up removing two, each with 4 roots. The vet said that the procedure
was difficult, and he was under for 3 1/2 or 4 hours. He was a whiny zombie
for more than 24 hours after the procedure, and is only now starting to show
signs that Elvis might be back in the building.

I'd be leery of creating long term expectations for
special treatment, though.

I was concerned enough that I called my SIL (human dentist) to talk to her
about extractions. She thinks that yes, it probably hurts, but with the
pain meds, more than likely not as much as he's making it seem like, so
there may be some angling for special treatment already. Once he's back to
normal, our routine goes back to normal. No more special treatment than he
was getting in the first place, and that was always Rajesh's department.

Suja

"Suja" wrote in
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She was concerned enough about his lack of water intake (and
output) that she suggested I get it into him somehow, or bring him
in for an IV.

Ah! Then ignore what I said.

He is so terribly stressed and worried right now,
that the last thing I want to do is take him back for further
poking and prodding.

I don't blame you. I think Melinda's advice to give lots of small,
sloppy meals is good. I wouldn't worry about weight gain, especially
since it will hopefully be just short term.

All the sass is gone, as is his voice, except for the whining in
different octaves.

Aw, poor Khan!

He was a whiny zombie for more than 24 hours after the procedure,
and is only now starting to show signs that Elvis might be back in
the building.

Under the circumstances, that doesn't surprise me. And, slow
progress might be frustrating, but it *is* progress.

I was concerned enough that I called my SIL (human dentist) to
talk to her about extractions. She thinks that yes, it probably
hurts, but with the pain meds, more than likely not as much as
he's making it seem like, so there may be some angling for
special treatment already.

Possibly. Keep in mind that pain meds can cause problems themselves.
Jitters, irritability, and general restlesness can occur. It's not
common, but it *does* happen with some individuals. That wouldn't
account for the hydrophobia, but it might explain why he's so
stressed.

Once he's back to normal, our routine goes back to normal. No
more special treatment than he was getting in the first place, and
that was always Rajesh's department.

Hopefully, "back to normal" will happen right damned quick!

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

On 2008-03-05 15:07:52 -0500, "Suja" said:

mushy chicken and rice

I'd suggest staying away from rice. It can poke around in the socket and hurt.