You're kidding. From whom?

The four people I know who have actually used it. I personally have never
had a reason to go to a training collar of *any* kind, so am only evaluating
it from their testimonies. (Basically dog stopped pulling within seconds of
getting the collar on, able to walk two formerlly *very* strong pulling dogs
with one had. Able to hand over both leashes to 8 year old neice).

Dale

Does it mean that Cash isn't house trained? Does it mean that Cash isn't
sure where "inside" is?

Personally I'd be checking the pee, just to be sure there isn't something
medical going on, but thats just me.

Dale

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
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"Dale Atkin" wrote in message
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I don't use any particular training collar, but then again, I'm close to
200 lbs, so can pretty well hold my own regardless of what most dogs
throw at me. If you're 100lbs soaking wet, you may need some thing that
will give you a little more immediate control over your dog. (I've heard
really good things about the collar Ceasar Millan sells off his
website...).

I have heard that his harness is overpriced and cheaply made. I found the
following comparisons of some products.

http://www.petexpertise.com/dog_prod...ing_nopull.htm

Possibly, never seen the other similar ones for comparison, but the ones I
saw didn't seem particulalry 'cheaply made' (no idea what they paid for
them, but they seemed to think they were worth every penny).

Dale

"montana wildhack" wrote

What makes you think he did that for attention?

Best guess as a non-repeated behavior and some web pages/books as well as
various posts here.

I'm curious. Can you cite "various posts here"?

Nope as I delete them after reading. Pretty sure it was here but I have
several pet groups.

Here's a snip related to how Cash has behaved from the dogforum web page.
It's replicated on many other pages and in some of the books we perused at
the library:
"Even a previously housetrained neutered male dog will urine mark under
certain circumstances. This doesn't mean it will become a regular problem.
He may urine mark one or twice in a new home and then never do it again."

This doesnt make it 'acceptable', only somewhat understandable on where the
behavior comes from.


Cash had access to the backyard all that time and
wandered out there a few times.

What does that sentence mean to you?


The door was open to the backyard and he could come and go as he pleased
from there to the garage.

Does it mean that Cash isn't house trained? Does it mean that Cash isn't
sure where "inside" is?


Seems to be the other type, not expressly a 'house training' issue.

"Dale Atkin" wrote

following comparisons of some products.

http://www.petexpertise.com/dog_prod...ing_nopull.htm

Dale, I rather liked the looks of the 'dreamwalker Harness' although Cash
doesnt really need that much control (nor is that one sized for him). It
just looks like it would be comfortable for him.

The trainer mentioned there were other types of 'harnesses' we may want to
try, but not to confuse him by trying too many different things in rapid
sucession. That seemed sensible to me.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:07:23 -0400, "cshenk" wrote:

"sighthounds & siberians" wrote

Anyways, thats our current status on training. On the peeing/marking, it
had one repeat but we figured it out. Don was home alone working on
something for close to 3 hours straight and hadnt realized he had ignored
Cash that long and he wanted attention. So, to get it, he peed on a box in
the garage right at Don's feet. LOL! Wiley fellow.

What makes you think he did that for attention?

Best guess as a non-repeated behavior and some web pages/books as well as
various posts here.

Hard to imagine any of the regulars here saying that a dog urinates or
marks for attention, and it's certainly not something I've read in any
decent book. Dogs urinate where they're not supposed to because they
haven't been taught not to. Marking is somewhat different from not
being housebroken, but again, dogs do it because they haven't been
taught not to. Also, this happened in the garage, and Cash may not
understand that he's not to eliminate in the garage; dogs don't always
generalize well. The fact that it's a non-repeated behavior is
totally irrelevant.

Cash had access to the backyard all that time and
wandered out there a few times.

All that means is that he's not housebroken.

Mustang Sally

The trainer mentioned there were other types of 'harnesses' we may want to
try, but not to confuse him by trying too many different things in rapid
sucession. That seemed sensible to me.

Do be honest, with him being that size, I personally would just stick with a
nylon collar. As long as you're consistent with him, he should 'get it'. You
can go nuts trying all the different variations of collars and harnesses and
what not, but if you aren't consistent, he won't get it.

Dale

"cshenk" wrote in message
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote

Anyways, thats our current status on training. On the peeing/marking, it
had one repeat but we figured it out. Don was home alone working on
something for close to 3 hours straight and hadnt realized he had
ignored
Cash that long and he wanted attention. So, to get it, he peed on a box
in
the garage right at Don's feet. LOL! Wiley fellow.

What makes you think he did that for attention?

Best guess as a non-repeated behavior and some web pages/books as well as
various posts here. Cash had access to the backyard all that time and
wandered out there a few times.

I had a similar incident with Muttley some time ago. He was finally very
reliably housetrained in the house where we live, and he did have some
incidents for about four months since I first got him. But at that time I
had my cat, and also I often kept him tethered outside. Finally he seemed
to gain the sense that inside the house was "his" home (or den), and he
never had another incident. But I took him into my other, adjacent house,
that I use for storage, and I let him loose. He soon left a puddle and a
pile of poop. I firmly told him that was a "NO", and he never repeated the
behavior. That made me think it was a case of him not recognizing that as
his home, and he may have been marking it, especially since sometimes
animals such as raccoons have gotten in there.

I think he also may have peed in the vet's office, but I might be confusing
that with Lucky, who peed at the Defenders of Animal Rights when I took her
there. She was also a "street rescue", but I never had any housebreaking
issues with her.

My thoughts are that all dogs are individuals, and you need to find out
what methods work best for various behavior issues. It's important to have
a good trusting relationship with the dog as a bottom line. Muttley seems
to communicate well, and his less desired behaviors such as leash pulling
are only minor annoyances and so I am not as motivated to "solve" them. But
I think I will try something like the easy walk or DreamWalker harness.

Paul and Muttley

"Dale Atkin" wrote in message
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The trainer mentioned there were other types of 'harnesses' we may want
to try, but not to confuse him by trying too many different things in
rapid sucession. That seemed sensible to me.

Do be honest, with him being that size, I personally would just stick with
a nylon collar. As long as you're consistent with him, he should 'get it'.
You can go nuts trying all the different variations of collars and
harnesses and what not, but if you aren't consistent, he won't get it.

That seems the best and while I might eyeball a 'harness' on the web, we are
progressing with the collar he was used to.

So far all I have had to deal with is the occasional chuckle from a neighbor
when I plop down in their yard and calm him down. Even had one ask if I
could dump the 'pooper scouper' along a particular bunch of bushes as a
cheap fertilizer.