"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

He is okay if they are sitting down but if they get up
to go in another room we have to hold him as he is barking
furiously while wagging his tail at the same time.

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or picking
him up?

Do these guys have any interaction at all with your dog? With
any dogs?

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or
picking him up?

Usually holding him back while in my lap or on the floor.
Occasionally picking him up.

I'd hold him back while not picking him up. The picking him up
validates the fear. Meanwhile, distract and treat before the
guys approach. Have them load their pockets with lots of good
stuff and treat from a distance with no eye contact, no booming
voices, and no looming body posture.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I've noticed that if they are eating something like chips,
etc. he has no problem sitting there waiting for them to
throw him something! Even if he was just barking at them
five minutes prior.

There you go!

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Mary Healey" wrote in message
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"kat" wrote :
I'll check those out. Any recommendations?

Two off the top of my head:

Calming Signals, Turid Rugaas
The Cautious Canine, Patricia McConnell



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Mary & the depleted Ames National Zoo
(Ranger, Duke, Rhia-cat)

Thanks I'll check those out


Kathy

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STUPID TROLL

"montana wildhack" wrote in message
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On 2008-03-24 11:55:16 -0400, "kat" said:

One good place to start is to ask your veterinarian to recommend a
trainer.

After what happened with Shelby I wouldn't ask her what time of day it
is
I'm looking into new vets. My plan is to take Shadow to one and Pooh
(the
cat) to another and see which one I like. Or more if I don't like either
one.

Are there some local rescue groups? They'd be in my first round of
calls...


Just the local Humane Society. I haven't had contact with them in years but
I wasn't too impressed with their policies/volunteers. Perhaps that has
changed.

Kathy

"Rocky" wrote in message
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"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

He is okay if they are sitting down but if they get up
to go in another room we have to hold him as he is barking
furiously while wagging his tail at the same time.

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or picking
him up?

Usually holding him back while in my lap or on the floor. Occasionally
picking him up.


Do these guys have any interaction at all with your dog?


Other than being on the same couch (while my daughters are sitting there
too) no.. The future son-in-law tried petting him the other day but Shadow
nipped at him. I wasn't in the room at the time so I didn't see how it
played out - just heard second hand.

With
any dogs?

Son-in-law - no Furture son-in-law has a family dog.

Kathy

"Rocky" wrote in message
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"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or
picking him up?

Usually holding him back while in my lap or on the floor.
Occasionally picking him up.

I'd hold him back while not picking him up. The picking him up
validates the fear. Meanwhile, distract and treat before the
guys approach. Have them load their pockets with lots of good
stuff and treat from a distance with no eye contact, no booming
voices, and no looming body posture.

Will do. I've noticed that if they are eating something like chips, etc. he
has no problem sitting there waiting for them to throw him something! Even
if he was just barking at them five minutes prior.

Kathy


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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"kat" wrote in message
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"Rocky" wrote in message
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"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or
picking him up?

Usually holding him back while in my lap or on the floor.
Occasionally picking him up.

I'd hold him back while not picking him up. The picking him up
validates the fear. Meanwhile, distract and treat before the
guys approach. Have them load their pockets with lots of good
stuff and treat from a distance with no eye contact, no booming
voices, and no looming body posture.

Will do. I've noticed that if they are eating something like chips, etc.
he
has no problem sitting there waiting for them to throw him something!
Even
if he was just barking at them five minutes prior.

Kathy

Do you get the Bark? There is a good article in the latest about a lady who
trained basically a deranged dog rescued from Katrina. It took some time,
but she appears to have made great progress with the dog in question using
patience, bonding and lots of food. Maybe you'd find it helpful in your
situation.

Also, there may be a grieving process issue going on. When my Jessica
drowned last summer, my vet suggested that behavioral issues (separation and
marking), I was having with one of the remaining dogs could be associated
with that. If only they could talk...

Kind regards,

(the)duckster

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"kat" wrote in message
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"Rocky" wrote in message
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"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

How are you holding the dog? As in: holding him back or
picking him up?

Usually holding him back while in my lap or on the floor.
Occasionally picking him up.

I'd hold him back while not picking him up. The picking him up
validates the fear. Meanwhile, distract and treat before the
guys approach. Have them load their pockets with lots of good
stuff and treat from a distance with no eye contact, no booming
voices, and no looming body posture.

Will do. I've noticed that if they are eating something like chips,
etc.
he
has no problem sitting there waiting for them to throw him something!
Even
if he was just barking at them five minutes prior.

Kathy

Do you get the Bark?

No I haven't heard of it.


There is a good article in the latest about a lady who
trained basically a deranged dog rescued from Katrina. It took some time,
but she appears to have made great progress with the dog in question using
patience, bonding and lots of food. Maybe you'd find it helpful in your
situation.

I'm willing to try anything

Also, there may be a grieving process issue going on. When my Jessica
drowned last summer, my vet suggested that behavioral issues (separation
and
marking), I was having with one of the remaining dogs could be associated
with that. If only they could talk...

The behavior predates Shelby's death. In fact, he would get Shelby doing
the same thing! But when Shadow wasn't around she would go up to the guys
for attention.
Shadow has been exhibiting some different behavior since her death though.
No interest in treats he used to like, barking towards the sky when
nothing/nobody is around, restlessness, etc.


Kathy