My wife and I adopted a black lab/mix puppy (Jane) just over a month
ago. The puppy is 3 months old.

We bought a crate that could hold a full-grown lab easily. We put the
crate in the kitchen area for the first two nights, and nobody slept
the entire night. The dog barked all night, only stopping to recover
from hyperventilating. The third night we tried it, and the dog broke
out of her cage...three times. So we sealed it with zip-ties.
However, she still kept barking.

We have noticed a major pattern. It does not matter how we are
separated from the dog, she goes nuts anytime she is physically
divided from us while we're on the property. She's outside, we're
inside. We're in our room, bathroom, etc. and she's in the hallway.
She's locked in the crate.

Goes nuts = barking, scratching, throwing her body against the door
like a battering ram.

When we're in the house, she has to basically be touching us or be as
close as she can to us. I'll cook dinner and she'll laying on my
feet. We have no space.

Please help us! I hate to see my baby (Jane) so upset.

MS said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

We have noticed a major pattern. It does not matter how we
are separated from the dog, she goes nuts anytime she is
physically divided from us while we're on the property.

You've answered your own question.

As a start, crate her in your bedroom at night. At three months
old, I wouldn't label her need for companionship as separation
anxiety.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"MS" wrote in message
...
My wife and I adopted a black lab/mix puppy (Jane) just over a month
ago. The puppy is 3 months old.

We bought a crate that could hold a full-grown lab easily. We put the
crate in the kitchen area for the first two nights, and nobody slept
the entire night. The dog barked all night, only stopping to recover
from hyperventilating. The third night we tried it, and the dog broke
out of her cage...three times. So we sealed it with zip-ties.
However, she still kept barking.

We have noticed a major pattern. It does not matter how we are
separated from the dog, she goes nuts anytime she is physically
divided from us while we're on the property. She's outside, we're
inside. We're in our room, bathroom, etc. and she's in the hallway.
She's locked in the crate.

Goes nuts = barking, scratching, throwing her body against the door
like a battering ram.

When we're in the house, she has to basically be touching us or be as
close as she can to us. I'll cook dinner and she'll laying on my
feet. We have no space.

Please help us! I hate to see my baby (Jane) so upset.

We just went through this ourselves.

Crates are now in the bedroom. And all three of mine follow me from room to
room. Everywhere I go. I just have to look down before I get up or move
around the kitchen so I don't fall over one. Dogs can attach. Deeply.

Plenty of exercise which will do you both a world of good and a consistent
routine helps too.

Kind regards,

(the)duckster

On Apr 3, 7:31 am, "\(the\)duckster" wrote:
"MS" wrote in message

...



My wife and I adopted a black lab/mix puppy (Jane) just over a month
ago. The puppy is 3 months old.

We bought a crate that could hold a full-grown lab easily. We put the
crate in the kitchen area for the first two nights, and nobody slept
the entire night. The dog barked all night, only stopping to recover
from hyperventilating. The third night we tried it, and the dog broke
out of her cage...three times. So we sealed it with zip-ties.
However, she still kept barking.

We have noticed a major pattern. It does not matter how we are
separated from the dog, she goes nuts anytime she is physically
divided from us while we're on the property. She's outside, we're
inside. We're in our room, bathroom, etc. and she's in the hallway.
She's locked in the crate.

Goes nuts = barking, scratching, throwing her body against the door
like a battering ram.

When we're in the house, she has to basically be touching us or be as
close as she can to us. I'll cook dinner and she'll laying on my
feet. We have no space.

Please help us! I hate to see my baby (Jane) so upset.

We just went through this ourselves.

Crates are now in the bedroom. And all three of mine follow me from room to
room. Everywhere I go. I just have to look down before I get up or move
around the kitchen so I don't fall over one. Dogs can attach. Deeply.

Plenty of exercise which will do you both a world of good and a consistent
routine helps too.

Kind regards,

(the)duckster

We moved the crate into our room on that third night. I couldn't take
another night without sleep. Eventually we moved the crate out of our
room and into the laundry room with no intention of using it. The dog
sleeps on a big pillow on the floor in our bedroom. She sleeps all
through the night.

The biggest problem is with her ramming doors when she's separated and
knows we're on the other side. Any advice other than from the
"surrogate toy" guy? (His attitude is a little over the top.)

In article
,
MS wrote:


The biggest problem is with her ramming doors when she's separated and
knows we're on the other side. Any advice other than from the
"surrogate toy" guy? (His attitude is a little over the top.)

Start working on giving her something that occupies her during that
time. A peanut butter kong or such.

I admit that since there are only 2 of us, if only 1 is home, doors
don't get close much.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On 2008-04-03 09:00:01 -0400, MS said:

The biggest problem is with her ramming doors when she's separated and
knows we're on the other side.

We'd open the door & let the dog in...

Normally the dogs are wherever we are, unless they're watching "dog tv"
(looking out the window).

We don't want the dog to learn that she'll get her way by barking,
scratching, and banging on the door. She needs to learn to sit
patiently. I don't think I'm expecting a lot. My childhood dog just
played outside as long as we left her out. We have a plethora of toys
for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of
our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away
from us.

Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake
of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry
Springer show for dog owners.

So get lost.

"MS" wrote in message
...
We don't want the dog to learn that she'll get her way by barking,
scratching, and banging on the door. She needs to learn to sit
patiently. I don't think I'm expecting a lot.

You're expecting a lot from a three month old puppy.




My childhood dog just
played outside as long as we left her out.


All dogs are different, they aren't carbon copies of each other, clones.
Dogs aren't inanimate objects, always available when *you* want to interact
with them, but otherwise off somewhere, unabtrusive and waiting until you
decide you want to be with them.


We have a plethora of toys
for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of
our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away
from us.


Dogs are our companions. Of course they want to be where we are. If you
have exercised her, walked her, played with her, then let her come inside
with you. She wants to be with her *people*, and not off in the yard
somewhere alone. Once she understands she's part of your family/pack,
she'll find a spot inside to take a nap. I have one dog who enjoys sleeping
on the sofa downstairs during the day time, and one velcro dog, who will
always be found napping where ever it is I am in the house. She see's it as
her duty/job to take care of me. And I appreciate that. If someone comes
to the door, she is right there beside me, letting any strangers know that
she's here to protect me. It's a nice, comforting feeling. Give your girl
time. She'll work out her days eventually. Like I said, I have one who is
perfectly happy to do his own thing, and one who likes to be with me. Your
puppy isn't old enough, experienced enough, to have developed a routine yet.
Right now she wants and needs to be where you are. Some day you might
appreciate that.


td



Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake
of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry
Springer show for dog owners.

So get lost.

"Rocky" wrote in message:

At three months
old, I wouldn't label her need for companionship as separation
anxiety.

I don't necessarily disagree with you (having not seen the pup in action),
but I think that when SA is hard wired instead of created by poor handling,
it can manifest itself early. I'm told by Pan's former owner that she came
to her with the same sort of behaviors that I would consider out of norm for
a pup - working oneself up to a lather to the point where the pup is hurting
herself.

To mitigate against the possibility that this could develop into full blown
SA, I would follow standard protocol that is used for dogs that demonstrate
SA.

http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/sep-anxiety.pdf

Suja

In article
,
MS wrote:

I don't think I'm expecting a lot. My childhood dog just
played outside as long as we left her out. We have a plethora of toys
for our dog, both inside and out, and there are dogs on every side of
our backyard with whom she plays. She just can't stand to be away
from us.

She's exhibiting totally normal puppy behavior. Few dogs entertain
themselves. And if you think she's "playing" with the dogs on other
sides of fences, she's not. She's building frustration.


Also, please argue somewhere else. I started this thread for the sake
of gaining knowledge, not for an internet version of the Jerry
Springer show for dog owners.

Then you need to stop using Google so you can use a filter and filter
Jerry Howe. Things get sane and lovely.


So get lost.

Who should get lost? Helpful people who are telling you that your PUPPY
*needs* to be with you instead of being treated as a lawn ornament?
Maybe you have the wrong group. I'm sure Home Depot or such has a lawn
ornament newsgroup.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com