On Apr 24, 2:11*pm, wrote:
One bright night in the middle of the day on Thu, 24 Apr
2008 11:03:10 -0400, in rec.pets.dogs.breeds ChrisJ

wrote:
Recently I learned that was totally bogus when I met up with a lady &
her water-loving Dachshunds (long & short haired). They swam like otters
and two of them were intense water retrievers.

Well, I dunno about otters, but... Growing up, our
family's mini dachshund *loved* to swim. He particularly
liked going to the beach with us all summer and going
clamming in fall/winter. You really had to watch him
closely as he would leap in and swim until he nearly
drowned because he'd just get too tired to stay afloat.
Many's a time someone would have to wade in and fish the
dog out as he was going under for the second time.

I miss that old dog and think of him often. He lived to be
nearly 18 years old!!
*~ *~ *~
Karen C.
Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account! So there...

"You have no power here!
*...Be gone! Before somebody drops a house on you too!"

My cairns used to swim in Lake Superior, and they would swim for as
long as they could and then find a rock to climb up on to. The
problem was they would then wait on that rock for you to come and
carry them back to shore since they were just too tired from all that
work.

Nick

On Apr 24, 2:34 pm, "
wrote:
On Apr 24, 2:11 pm, wrote:



One bright night in the middle of the day on Thu, 24 Apr
2008 11:03:10 -0400, in rec.pets.dogs.breeds ChrisJ

wrote:
Recently I learned that was totally bogus when I met up with a lady &
her water-loving Dachshunds (long & short haired). They swam like otters
and two of them were intense water retrievers.

Well, I dunno about otters, but... Growing up, our
family's mini dachshund *loved* to swim. He particularly
liked going to the beach with us all summer and going
clamming in fall/winter. You really had to watch him
closely as he would leap in and swim until he nearly
drowned because he'd just get too tired to stay afloat.
Many's a time someone would have to wade in and fish the
dog out as he was going under for the second time.

I miss that old dog and think of him often. He lived to be
nearly 18 years old!!
*~ *~ *~
Karen C.
Spammers be damned! I can't be emailed from this account! So there...

"You have no power here!
...Be gone! Before somebody drops a house on you too!"

My cairns used to swim in Lake Superior, and they would swim for as
long as they could and then find a rock to climb up on to. The
problem was they would then wait on that rock for you to come and
carry them back to shore since they were just too tired from all that
work.

Nick

hahaha thats hilarious, well theres plenty of rocks just out from our
beach.

as for the dog being alone when my son goes off to school, surely
he'll have roomates who won't have the same schedules as him, so most
of the time someone will most likely be there

"Fish" wrote in message
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as for the dog being alone when my son goes off to school, surely
he'll have roomates who won't have the same schedules as him, so most
of the time someone will most likely be there

Bad idea.

When everyone is responsible for a dog, no one is responsible. And your son
will have no control over his roommates and how they treat the dog or what
behavior they accept.

Either your son will be responsible for the dog - 24/7 - or the dog
shouldn't be there.

And if he can't commit to that - which will be very difficult for him to
do - then he should wait until he can before he gets a dog.

My brother's family has a dog. The older son is away at college most days
(he comes home for work three days a week) and the younger son is also in
college but is living at home.

The boys know that the first one home after the dog has been left for a
period of time is supposed to let the dog out. Most of the time it works.

However, when the parents went away for ten days on a trip and the two boys
were to tagteam with the dog (that they very much wanted to have in the
household), things did not go well. Everyone survived but the dog was very
happy to get the parents back home again.

Judy

Judy

In article
,
Fish wrote:


as for the dog being alone when my son goes off to school, surely
he'll have roomates who won't have the same schedules as him, so most
of the time someone will most likely be there

Please don't send a dog to live with a bunch of college guys. I've
never seen it end well. You either want a family dog or you want a dog
for your kid who will then tend to it when it suits him, once he's busy
with all things college. There are some rare college students who can
be responsible dog owners, but they are few.

I lived in a university neighborhood for many years, and every May we'd
have a whole bunch of stray dogs and cats (still puppies and kittens
mostly). Those that survived the alcohol poisoning, lack of structure,
lack of training, and lack of attention that is. I know, your kid is
different. And so will his [angelic] roommates be. I don't think
it's an ideal situation for a dog.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Apr 24, 5:51 pm, Janet Boss
wrote:
In article
,

Fish wrote:

as for the dog being alone when my son goes off to school, surely
he'll have roomates who won't have the same schedules as him, so most
of the time someone will most likely be there

Please don't send a dog to live with a bunch of college guys. I've
never seen it end well. You either want a family dog or you want a dog
for your kid who will then tend to it when it suits him, once he's busy
with all things college. There are some rare college students who can
be responsible dog owners, but they are few.

I lived in a university neighborhood for many years, and every May we'd
have a whole bunch of stray dogs and cats (still puppies and kittens
mostly). Those that survived the alcohol poisoning, lack of structure,
lack of training, and lack of attention that is. I know, your kid is
different. And so will his [angelic] roommates be. I don't think
it's an ideal situation for a dog.

--
Janet Bosswww.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

well it may be best if the dog stays here, my son may not even be
moving out until he is done university (there are lots of universities
in our city), so we'll discuss this with the rest of the family. I'm
still looking for information on the breeds i've mentioned, anything
regarding their temperaments would be great, and what sort of
requirements they need, how easy (or difficult) they are to train,
etc. Another breed i've just read about is the wire fox terrier.
wikipedia doesn't have any information regarding their temperaments,
and most of sites ive visited have not said much. how are these guys?

as for finding cairn terriers, i don't know if they have it in the
states, but kijiji has a dog section where there are tons of litters
on there with new ones added nearly every hour, thats where i've seen
the litters i mentioned.

In article
,
Fish wrote:

wikipedia

Google for the national breed club for each breed you are interested in.
Most of them will have great websites that tell you the pros, cons,
standards, etc, for their breed, PLUS have links to breeder referrals
and rescue programs.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Fish" wrote in message
...
well it may be best if the dog stays here, my son may not even be
moving out until he is done university (there are lots of universities
in our city), so we'll discuss this with the rest of the family. I'm
still looking for information on the breeds i've mentioned, anything
regarding their temperaments would be great, and what sort of
requirements they need, how easy (or difficult) they are to train,
etc.

The three breeds you mentioned - and the others you have also mentioned -
are all breeds that connect intensely to their family. They may be
perfectly friendly to others but will also likely be somewhat reserved
around anyone who is NOT part of their immediate pack. These are not dogs
who are likely to love every stranger they meet. I'm not saying that they
will be aggressive or even particularly unfriendly, just

Trainability - remember that dogs who are considered "smart" may not be the
easiest to train. The poodle is a little different from the terriers you
have mentioned. Terriers are more than willing to please you - they
actually do want to make you happy - but they are more likely to *think*
while they are doing it.

For instance, a terrier on a long down-stay may start thinking "well, I did
the "down" and I've "stayed" but she certainly didn't mean for it to be
*this* long and she certainly didn't mean that I should *stay* when there is
obviously a hole over there by the building that should be checked out just
in case there is something living down it".

A poodle - or my brother's current breed of dog, a bichon - are probably
more likely to learn cute tricks that your son may want to teach them. Not
that terriers don't, but poodles and bichons are more likely to do that sort
of thing and more easily.

All dogs you have mentioned, and the breeds similar to them, need to have
people (family) around them to be happy. I'm not saying that they can't
ever be left but most dogs of those breeds need a lot of contact and
interaction with people or they may become problems when left alone for long
periods.

This is all pretty general. Is there anything specific you want to know?

Judy

"Fish" wrote in message
...
as for finding cairn terriers, i don't know if they have it in the
states, but kijiji has a dog section where there are tons of litters
on there with new ones added nearly every hour, thats where i've seen
the litters i mentioned.

Okay, I googled kijiji and this seems like a really, really bad place to
find a dog.

And anyplace that has new litters added nearly every hour would make me run
far and fast.

Judy

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"Judy" wrote:


Okay, I googled kijiji and this seems like a really, really bad place to
find a dog.

no kidding. reading the local ads made my skin crawl.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Janet Boss said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds:

"Judy" wrote:

Okay, I googled kijiji and this seems like a really,
really bad place to find a dog.

no kidding. reading the local ads made my skin crawl.

Last night I resisted my first urge to call out "Fish" on some
blatant trolling, but he's been using that name for some time.
Instead, I assume he doesn't understand the repercussions of
buying a dog from a BYB. Some of us have BTDT, so I get it. I
haven't looked at kijiji yet, though.

What I don't get is his apparent ostrich-head-in-the-sand
attitude that his son's college roommates will help provide
adequate supervision, let alone stability and training.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.