On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:57:10 -0600, FurPaw
wrote:

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:12 +0000 (UTC), Mark Shaw
wrote:
"Handsome \"Jack\" Morrison" wrote:

Hitler was an atheist.
Actually, no.

Actually, yes, he was, but I can imagine how inconvenient that idea
might be for a practicing atheist like yourself to acknowledge:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925124/posts

There is significant evidence to the contrary, from what Hitler
himself said:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

What you need to do, is to put those quotes in their proper context
(as D'Souza points out at that link I cited), and the proper context
(and timeline) was that Hitler initially needed the support of
Catholics and Lutherans, but like so many politicians do, then and
now, they say one thing to gain support or get elected (although
Hitler was never elected, he was appointed), and then say something
else later on.

Like when Kerry said "I was for the war before I was against it." Or
Bush Sr., when he said "Read my lips. No new taxes."

His quotes, after he succeeded in pulling the wool over everyone's
eyes, are the quotes you should give greatest weight to. For example,
during the war years, in his "Table Talk" collection, where he said
things like "Let’s be the only people [the Germans] who are immunized
against this disease," where disease equals religion. Or "through the
peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity."

Does that sound like any Christian you know?

And, of course, there are the scumbags he surrounded himself with,
e.g., Goebbels, Himmler, Heydrich and Bormann, who were *devout*
atheists.

Read D'Souza's paper for more.

Not that it matters to me whether Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao
and Pol Pot were atheists. Atheist, religious, doesn't matter.
Jerks and monsters come in all flavors.

Yup, that's absolutely true.

Which is why painting with broad brushes usually leads to riding in
certain buses all the time.

We can also find plenty of religious monsters who made the world
a much worse place.

Yup, sadly so. But humans, after all, being human, I'm not surprised
by that.

I'd actually be shocked if it were otherwise.

If you think that knowing that Stalin was an
atheist makes atheists cringe, it should make you cringe when you
read about the deeds of some of the Roman Catholic Popes and
Inquisitors.

You bet. And it does.

But again, Roman Catholics are human beings, too, and since there are
well over a billion of us, I'm pretty sure that some will do some
pretty horrible things in the future, too.

Just don't take up too many of those seats on Shaw's bus with
religious folks, because we're going to need quite a few of them for
atheists, too.

And that was particularly true in the 20th century, i.e., not very
long ago.

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

A reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

The top ten list of things environmentalists need to learn.
http://depletedcranium.com/?p=368

New Jason Satellite Indicates 23-Year Global Cooling.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2871

Bush Whiffs on the Dollar.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...RiMzkxMjFhZmQ=

Looking for Mr. Wright.
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnis...1114395.column

Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...6-7583,00.html

What you can learn about America on the deck of the USS 'Theodore Roosevelt.'
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...dgrlw.asp?pg=1

Canadian Human Rights Commission official: "Freedom of speech is an American concept, so I don't give it any value."
http://www.classicalvalues.com/archi..._happen_3.html

Well, that didn't take long. Los Angeles considers "global warming" tax.
http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinio...rming_tax.html

A book that every American should read (and NYT #1 bestseller): Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascis.../dp/0385511841

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 15:57:10 -0600, FurPaw
wrote:

Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2008 04:08:12 +0000 (UTC), Mark Shaw
wrote:
"Handsome \"Jack\" Morrison" wrote:
Hitler was an atheist.
Actually, no.
Actually, yes, he was, but I can imagine how inconvenient that idea
might be for a practicing atheist like yourself to acknowledge:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1925124/posts
There is significant evidence to the contrary, from what Hitler
himself said:
http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

What you need to do, is to put those quotes in their proper context
(as D'Souza points out at that link I cited), and the proper context
(and timeline) was that Hitler initially needed the support of
Catholics and Lutherans, but like so many politicians do, then and
now, they say one thing to gain support or get elected (although
Hitler was never elected, he was appointed), and then say something
else later on.

That's a common trick - Karl Rove's an agnostic and his private
contempt for the religious right is pretty well known, but he
wasn't above using them for his own ends. I suspect he's not the
only one who did that in the current administration.

His quotes, after he succeeded in pulling the wool over everyone's
eyes, are the quotes you should give greatest weight to. For example,
during the war years, in his "Table Talk" collection, where he said
things like "Let’s be the only people [the Germans] who are immunized
against this disease," where disease equals religion. Or "through the
peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity."

Does that sound like any Christian you know?

The question was not, was he Christian, it was, was he an
atheist? Lots of nonchristians believe in some form of deity. I
can't say whether Hitler was or was not among them, or whether he
was just pandering to the volk, or whether his opinions changed
as he got more powerful, and I really don't care that much.

FurPaw
--
The plural of anecdote is not proof.

To reply, unleash the dogs

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:12:35 -0400, Janet Boss
wrote:

In article ,
"Handsome \"Jack\" Morrison" wrote:

No Roman Catholicism, no Western Civilization.

I always assumed that you were stupid, Janet, but I didn't realize
that you were a bigot, too.

The Roman Catholic church has some pretty bizarre crap that gets spewed.

Yeah, especially by bimbos and bozos who know absolutely nothing about
Catholic doctrine.

And why exactly is the Pope speshul?

I can't tell you that. It's Top Secret.

If I told you, I'd have to burn you at a stake, and it's almost
impossible to find good stakes these days.

Even Home Depot stopped carrying them.

sigh

Many of the biggest bigots I've met are RC's.

Well then, with that stupid remark, you've certainly raised the bigot
quotient for your side by a factor or two, eh?

It'd be really interesting if word got out in Baltimore about your
rabid anti-Catholic bigotry.

Ought to do wonders for your business, eh?

Hmmmm.

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

On 16 May 2008 18:27:52 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
Janet Boss wrote:
Many of the biggest bigots I've met are RC's.

We love the Catholic Workers! The Roman Catholic mission to
convert the Jews,

Leave it to a Jew to worry about Catholics *praying* for them, when
millions of Muslims want to forcibly convert them at the point of a
sword, or to KILL them, and there's no problemo with that.

Really, it kind of boggles the mind.

and the reinstitution of Tridentine Mass,

Maybe if you'll allow us to tell you how to practice your religion,
then you'd have some grounds for telling us how we should practice
ours, 'kay?

But until that day gets here, you know what you can do about it, eh?

I thought so.

not so much (but hey, at least they stopped calling us
"perfidious"

Well, with Jews seeming to delight in calling Jesus Christ a
"*******," that seems pretty tame in comparison.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/ukcorre...r2007/jews.htm

But I always enjoy listening to Jews tell Catholics how they should
practice their religion!

It is, after all, where the word "chutzpah" originated.


--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

On Fri, 16 May 2008 18:06:28 -0400, "tiny dancer"
wrote:

[...]
And so the world will remain safe from the harpette's and future harpies.
Thank goodness they didn't go forth and multiply.

No, they did not, did they?

I told you that God has a plan!

Heh.

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
Mark Shaw wrote:
Hmm, I thought that's what I was doing.

Well, when you make it about yourself you make it about
yourself. The real issue is that "Jack" doesn't know how to
do anything other than call names, and consequently he makes
stupid, content-free arguments that aren't actually
arguments, just name-calling. So, make it about Jack and
his inability to construct an argument.

Point taken.

I do like how he "cited" the freepers to back up his argument.
(You *know* where my politics are, and I won't have anything to
do with those clowns.)

ObDogs: The SO's out of town AGAIN this weekend, handling her
late parents' estate. So Baron was cratebound all freakin' day,
because I just couldn't leave work early - but she'll be back
Sunday, and he'll get plenty of training time in the meantime....

--
Mark Shaw (And Baron) moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm
================================================== =======================
"The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead
of his tongue." - Anonymous

On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:55 -0600, FurPaw
wrote:

[...]
What you need to do, is to put those quotes in their proper context
(as D'Souza points out at that link I cited), and the proper context
(and timeline) was that Hitler initially needed the support of
Catholics and Lutherans, but like so many politicians do, then and
now, they say one thing to gain support or get elected (although
Hitler was never elected, he was appointed), and then say something
else later on.

That's a common trick - Karl Rove's an agnostic and his private
contempt for the religious right is pretty well known, but he
wasn't above using them for his own ends. I suspect he's not the
only one who did that in the current administration.

Yeah, and your side is being tricked right now. Unless, of course,
you think The Obamamessiah could actually sit there in that despicable
"church" in Chicago for *20* freakin' years, along with his
*children*(!), and listen to a man who married him, and who he calls
his "spiritual advisor", preach hatred for whites, Jews, America,
etc., and not be affected by it.

And when Hillary (of all people) suddenly starts speaking with a
southern accent and drinking whisky shots and beer with the good ol'
boys?

Ain't politics great?

His quotes, after he succeeded in pulling the wool over everyone's
eyes, are the quotes you should give greatest weight to. For example,
during the war years, in his "Table Talk" collection, where he said
things like "Let’s be the only people [the Germans] who are immunized
against this disease," where disease equals religion. Or "through the
peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity."

Does that sound like any Christian you know?

The question was not, was he Christian, it was, was he an
atheist?

And he was.

You're about to jump the shark here, in your desire to make Hitler
into something he most definitely wasn't - a religious person.

He was to religion what Orkin is to bugs.

Lots of nonchristians believe in some form of deity.

The only "deity" Hitler believed in was Hitler himself.

Which, among other things, is why he had people salute him, "Heil,
Hitler!" and not Germany, God, etc., with *his* picture or likeness
splattered on every wall, etc.

You can travel to North Korea and see the cheap knock off version even
today.

Yes, I think narcissism may even be linked to atheism, too.

I can't say whether Hitler was or was not among them, or whether he
was just pandering to the volk, or whether his opinions changed
as he got more powerful, and I really don't care that much.

Then why even get involved in this thread?

sigh

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

On Fri, 16 May 2008 23:50:18 +0000 (UTC), Mark Shaw
wrote:

I do like how he "cited" the freepers to back up his argument.

Yeah, it was faster than doing my own typing.

I'm nothing if not efficient.

(You *know* where my politics are, and I won't have anything to
do with those clowns.)

Aw, what's wrong with little Markie tonight?

Did the big bad Freepers take your ball away again and make you cry?

Ya freakin' pussy.

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

On Fri, 16 May 2008 17:08:55 -0600, FurPaw
wrote:

[...]
That's a common trick - Karl Rove's an agnostic and his private
contempt for the religious right is pretty well known

PS: Let's see how that works out for the GOP in the coming
bloodbath...er...election in November.

--
Handsome "Jack" Morrison

This week's reading assignment for Janet "El Bimbo Más Grande" Boss.
Yes, there will be a pop quiz on Monday!
How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization, by Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Catholic-Churc.../dp/0895260387

"Two substantive political issues are the federal budget deficit and the war
in Iraq. Now, if you're electing Democrats to control government spending, then
you're marrying Angelina Jolie for her brains. This leaves the Democrats with
one real issue: Iraq. And so far the best that any Democratic presidential candidate
has been able to manage with Iraq is to make what I think of as the high school sex
promise: I will pull out in time, honest dear." P.J. O'Rourke

In article ,
"Handsome \"Jack\" Morrison" wrote:


And so the world will remain safe from the harpette's and future harpies.
Thank goodness they didn't go forth and multiply.

No, they did not, did they?

I told you that God has a plan!


How incredibly charming of both of you. td - is your name really
Paulette? and are you really a Jack-whore? Rhetorical question.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com