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HOWEDY unstresst,
"unstresst" wrote in message ... Welcome to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual Forums And Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory {}'; ~ ) I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard, Director Of Trainin an Research {}: ~ ) Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES, And Horsey Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Training Method Manual: http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyama...sendmanual.htm The actual INSTRUCTION begins on the third page "*777* Wits' End Method", abHOWET 1/4 down the page starting with "Here's ALL the INFORMATION you NEED" and my phone # and instructions to CALL ANY TIME. There you will find ALL the FREE information you need to pupperly handle raise and train your pets and family. Just follow the instructions PRECISELY and ASK me if you need any additional FREE HEELP {}: ~ ) Even after corrections she still goes back and chews forbidden items. Destructive chewing even in a teething puppy is a SYMPTOM of STRESS caused by REPRESSIVE alledged obedience training and so called CORRECTIONS: From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Doggy advice Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything. I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs. I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example: whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression. The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related). You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans. As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care. George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology I have been listed in Who's Who in the S & SE USA since 1982, and in the big books, Who's Who in the USA, WW in the World, WW in Medicine etc, and WW in Science and Technology, since that date. These are the Marquis Publications, the "real" WW, and you can't get yourself into them. -------------------- You can EXXXTINGUISH destructive chewing NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERY THING EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE we've been taught by so called self professed professional OBEDIENCE TRAINERS and university trained behaviorists who teach us to jerk choke shock bribe intimidate and lock dogs in boxes and ignore their cries or spray aversives in their faces in order to GET PAID for their BRUTAL, IGNORAMEHOWES, ILL THOUGHT, DEROGATORY, DERANGED, self serving advice {}: ~ ( I've got a BEHAVIORAL CONDITIONING TECHNIQUE to address those issues when you're NOT THERE or when you're asleep. You can EXXXTINGUISH S.A. NEARLY INSTANTLY usin The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing GRAND Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard's NON PHYSCIAL C-HOWENTER CONditioning Surrogate Toy Separation AnXXXIHOWESNESS / Bed Time Calming / Fear Of Thunder / Car Sickness / Submissive Urination / Obsessive Compulsive Masturbation / Chronic Urinary Tract / Bladder / Irritable BHOWEL / Obsessive Compulsive Marking / Self-Mutilation / Spraying / Defecating / Counter Surfing / Garbage Bin Raiding / Hole Digging / Fence Jumping / Coprophagia / Kitty Litter Krunching - Munching / Bell / Siren HOWEling / WHINING / Barking / Door Bolting Syndrome Technique {); ~ ) LIKE THIS: "Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For Dealing With This (Destructive Separation Anxiety). I've Suggested It To Quite A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer, 33 Years Experience. Subject: To Jerry 1 From: MarilynRammell Date: Tues, Aug 3 1999 3:00 am Email: "MarilynRammell" Hello Jerry, A client of mine asked to say a 'big thank you' to you. They have a 8 month spaniel that they were about to get rid of. In fact they had put her into kennels for a few day while they 'thought it through'. They rang me the day before they were due to collect her. She had wrecked their home - everytime they left her she destroyed something else. The walls, the cabinets, the carpets, table legs, chair legs, - anything and everything. They collected her and brought her to me. I gave them some routine training exercises, and also I wrote out your advice (I will say at this point that I was not sure about it at all, and felt a little embarrassed - it was the advice about the 'toy dog that gets the praise for not making a mess'. Anyway, this was 11 days ago and I heard nothing. Yesterday they turned up at the new Monday evening class. They were absolutely delighted. They told me that after just one attempt, (your toy suggestion) she 'stopped all the destruction'. They were in tear of happiness while telling me. Thank you Jerry. Respectfully, Marilyn ---------------- From: Marilyn Rammell ) Subject: Separation anxiety (?) help needed! Date: 1999/10/13 Hi Steve, Just want to second Jerry's method for dealing with this - I've suggested it to quite a few clients now and it's worked 'every' time. It sounds a little 'amusing' I agree, but it really works. Two of the occasions it's worked have been when the owners were almost at the point of giving up (one had actually put their dog into kennels for a few days so that they could re-decorate the demolition done by the dog). They rang me while the dog was still in kennels and were not yet decided whether to collect the dog or not. The very first time they tried Jerry's method, it worked. Best of luck, Marilyn Rammell -------------------- AND LIKE THIS: From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku ------------- AND LIKE THIS: Subject: Jerry, your surrogate toy technique From: Jenn Date: Wed, Jul 24 2002 12:50 am Email: "Jenn" I've told people it worked for me in the past. There. I'm preparing to be killfiled en masse. Got a question. I'm going to use it to help give my dogs freedom of the house while I'm gone instead of blocking them in the kitchen, which I've been doing since I brought Frodo home last year. Frodo greets me at the door with a toy in his mouth. I don't mind this and have no intention of stopping it. So, what do I do when I come in if he has *the* toy in his mouth? Simply take it away to say hi to it first? If I can't talk to Frodo, I can't tell him to "drop it". He always gives things up when I reach for them anyway, but if I'm reaching for the toy from him, isn't that going to cause a problem? -- Jenn S ------------------- AND LIKE THIS: Date: 2001-11-14 09:13:21 PST "Yves Dussault" wrote in message ... Hi! I have downloaded Wit's End Dog Training Method... In there there is that trick with a toy about "Separation anxiety surrogate toy technique." Anybody has tried that... I would like to give it a try with my GSP (German shorthair.....pointer) Comments? Yves Dussault Yves, I for one have tried it... in fact I use this all the time. I just used it last evening while my husband and I went out to see "The Mummy Returns" (a horrible turkey of a movie, but at least the house wasn't chewed from end to end in the meantime). Yes, it really works. :-) So do the other distraction/praise techniques described therein. If you are interested in the manual, you will probably want to begin the exercises as well. Regards, Lisa ------------- AND LIKE THIS: "Anthony Testa" testa52 wrote in message We came home to almost $1,000 in damage. Furniture, the blinds were all chewed and torn down, etc. The next day we put her in the crate again. This time we came home to a nice 2' x 3' hole in our carpet in the middle of the living room, right down to the cement. I told my wife that we cannot afford to keep this dog. We should go out and get a puppy. SNIP First, at no cost he sent us his manual. We started doing exactly what he said to do in the manual. Exactly as we did was was written, the results were exactly as he said it would be. Then we purchased the DDR. This is an amazing god send to us. First of all, Jerry sent it to us without paying. (thanks for that gesture) This has such and AMAZING effect. This testimonial is kind of winded so I will say this...... Jerry's product literally saved this dogs life. Angel can be left alone during the day. NO CRATE. The dog shows absolutely no sign of anxiety at all. Jerry told us the product works immediately and it did! She does not bark at all during the day except when the mailman drops mail into the slot on the door. The manual for training works exactly as it says! SNIP Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can't for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind or ignorant. You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are a life saver!!! Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, you have my number. We would galdly talk to them. Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you... Anthony & Linda Testa Jacksonville, Florida ---------------------- AND LIKE THIS: From: "LESPERANCE/DEAKIN" Date: 1999/10/06 Subject: Separation Anxiety Well Jerry, I have to hand it to you. It worked! Our dog was very well behaved until I had to go on the road for my work this summer. I was gone twice for 10 long days each time. Although there were still people home, I am the "primary care-giver" to my dog, so he became destructive (shoes, books, rugs, papers etc) We have a crate, but I believe it is too small for him now - he is a cross golden/gsd and when he sits or stands he cannot hold his head up as the top is too low, so I didn't want to crate him while I went to work for sometimes 8 hours. Anyway, I decided to try your method with the toy. I would find a toy, tell it to be good and place it in his crate. After just 3 days, there was no more destruction in the house - even when daughter or hubby forgot to put their shoes away! Now the toy stays in the crate all day, and he even crawls in to be with the "good toy" when I leave. He seems quite proud when we come home. I have not tried the can thing - don't quite understand that, so I think my dog may be confused too! Marcie (Winslow's mom) ------------------ AND LIKE THIS: "nesskay" wrote in message oups.com... It has been a couple of months since we have initiated Jerry Howe's recommendations for resolving the separation anxiety in our 8 y.o. chocolate lab. We have seen remarkable results. She can now be left on our houseboat and we can return with all of the wood trim and/or blinds intact. Before we spoke with Jerry and started the training, we could not leave her without her barking in a high pitch incessantly. I had resorted to "building her a pen" with pieces of chair railing, putting chairs in front of windows, and moving the bed so that she could not get to the blind (again!). It would take about 10-15 minutes of planning and moving things before we could leave. Even with that, she would find something to destroy. We NOW use the surrogate toy method and can go out, shop, go to dinner or whatever, without any problems. She is glad to see us when we return, but no longer frantic. I am so happy that this seems to be the norm now. Another problem that we had with her was although she would not destroy the house, she would leave us runny poop in several places.(kind of the same as destroy I guess). I tried to blame this on her diet, but realized that her anxiety level was so high that she just had no control. Now, the only time that she has done that is when she devoured a diaper from the trash!!! Jerry's methods work. I found him by typing in separation anxiety+orlando florida into Google, otherwise I don't want to speculate what could have happened with Amelia. We were at our Wit's End!!!!!! Thanks so much Jerry. We have given your URL to everyone we know with a dog. Your methods work. The others that we tried did not. It is that simple! Thank you, Thank you Thank you! Nancy and Amelia ---------------------- AND LIKE THIS: From: "nicole" To: "Jerald D. Howe" Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 10:46 AM Subject: Off to a good start! Hi Jerald, Just wanted to tell you we read your manual and have started working with the dogs... "Chloe" (the one we adopted--a.k.a. "The Destroyer") has already shown great improvement! (In Just 1 DAY!) She responds even better than our other (better-behaved) dog "Poe". We tried out the surrogate toy technique, and not a thing was touched when we got back! We were both surpised because Chloe isn't that interested in toys and was still very uptight about us reaching for the door...anyway, it seemed to work. We both work all day today so we'll see how that goes... Regardless, we will be cool as cukes when we get home! ![]() I'm just so thankful we might have a chance to get through to her! We're very excited about her progress thus far... Thank You! Nicole, Michael, Poe and especially Chloe! ----------------- AND LIKE THIS: From: "LEE " To: Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: Wits end training in England HOWEDY Lee, Hi, I have stumbled across your training method on the internet EXCELLENT! Nuthin happens by accident or coincidence. and I am pleased to say, one part of it has worked already after only 3 days of training. Wonderful! Please follow the method entirely and PRECISELY. It NEVER FAILS, but it's very unforgiving of mistakes and doesn't play well with other methods. I own two boxers, one of which is a rescue dog who sufferred from 'seperation anxiety' SA usually takes no more than WON day or two, to break. and would constantly chew his bedding in his crate when in the house alone. After only 2 sessions of praising his favourite nylon bone and leaving it in front of the crate before leaving, the behaviour is gone! Lee. HOWETSTANDING! -------------------- AND LIKE THIS: Dave Cohen writes: Barking Deterrants Needed... Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of his business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety. I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry! ------------- AND LIKE THIS: From: AIMEE ) Subject: House training and such... Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel, relieving himself in the house while I'm away from home. I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident". Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours). The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would relieve himself in the house and I would point at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog". That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house or infront of me. After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my mishandling of these instances. When I came home to an "accident", I would simply drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?" Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog". This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of... Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the "snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods by alternating sounds and praising him while or before he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into the room with the cat box and barking. That's because he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he shouldn't. Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a blessing to all of us. AIMEE ----------------------- From: AIMEE ): I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling (pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended up with a very anxious dog. I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for walks because he feared EVERYTHING. I was going to have to get rid of him if things didn't turn around. My husband and I searched the internet for answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD. For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK! I've followed his manual, and we now have a dog that can be left home alone, that heels on command, that can go outside and NOT be afraid of everything he sees. Not only have his methods helped our dog, but our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we never laughed or had FUN together - but now, with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY WIZARDS dog training, our communications channels have opened, and we now work together instead of against one another. For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY, OR HEEL. We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting the POSITIVE attention we wanted. So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK. It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better. AIMEE ***************************** I THINK YOU GET THE POINT. DON'T YOU. Here's the SCIENCE your newfHOWEND fellHOWE dog lover pals FEAR and HATE: "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)." "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov. A. S. Neill, The Famous Founder of The Summerhill School, Used To Cure Delinquent Children Way Back In The 1950's By Paying Them For Every Time They Wet The Bed Or Broke A Pane Of Glass And Their Behaviour Would Stop, - As If By MAGICK! The Embry Study: "While some may find it strange that reprimands might increase the chances of a child going into the street, the literature on the experimental analysis of behavior is replete with examples of how "attention to inappropriate behavior" increases the chances of more inappropriate behavior. Thus, suggestions to parents that they talk to or reason with their children about dashing into the street will likely to have the opposite impact. Reprimands do not punish unsafe behavior; they reward it." Source: "Reducing the Risk of Pedestrian Accidents to Preschoolers by Parent Training and Symbolic Modeling for Children: An Experimental Analysis in the Natural Environment. Research Report Number 2 of the Safe-Playing Project." Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. "All animals learn best through play," Lorenz. "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning immediately deteriorated. Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well established in research than the various dynamic therapists." Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of operant programers." "It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION of the need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965). A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)." "Motivation Of The Resistance To Coercion "-- PAVLOV: "Reflexes of purpose and freedom" in the comparative physiology of higher nervous activity, Institute of Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology, Academy of Sciences, Moscow: The most complex unconditioned "reflexes of aim and freedom," discovered by I.P. Pavlov, are compared with the "competence drive" and the "motivation of the resistance to coercion," respectively, described by contemporary ethologists. On the basis of the unconditioned "reflex of purpose," conditioned reflexes were developed in which positive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement. The unconditioned "reflex of freedom" is regarded as a phylogenetic precursor of the will, and its acute extinction as the physiological mechanism of hypnosis. It was demonstrated experimentally that the appearance of the state of "animal hypnosis" (immobilization catatonia) in rabbits is accompanied by the predominance of electrical activity and heat production in the right hemisphere, i.e., by symptoms which are found in hypnosis in man. Simonov PV/h4 Publication Types:ulliReview/liliReview, tutorial/li/ulPMID: 2215892, UI: 91015681/blockquote doctype http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/htbin-po...uid=2215892&am p;form=6&db=m&Dopt=bNeurosciBehavPhysiol19 90May-Jun; 20(3):230-5 "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition," Ivan P. Pavlov In the followin SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH STUDY you may substitute pronged spiked pinch or slip choke collars for shock and add PUNISHMENT, SCOLDING, CRATING, and offering and witholding rewards, attention, and affection: Psychological Effects At issue is the question, --Do electronic training devices elicit psychological responses? "This section cites several research studies in which the psychological impact of the use of electronic training devices was analyzed. It is difficult, at best, for anyone to determine the full psychological effect of these devices or training methods until we can agree on exactly what constitutes a stress signal in a domestic dog. Not only do none of the researchers agree on what it is, but it varies from dog to dog. It is even more difficult for humans to determine the full effect of shock on a dog (or any animal) due to the animal's hard-wired need to hide pain in order to survive in the wild. Training dogs with the help of the shock collar: Short and long term behavioral effects. (Schilder, M. & van der Borga, J. (2004). Applied Animal Behavior Science, 85, 319-334). The goal of this study was to determine the behavioral changes in dogs during training using electronic training collars. Thirty-two dogs were divided into two groups, each receiving both general obedience and protection training. One group was trained with shock collars and the other group without shock collars. The dogs trained with the shock collars displayed signs of stress: lowering of body posture, high-pitched yelps, barks and squeals, avoidance, redirected aggression, and tongue flicking. It was also noted by the authors that, even during play and relaxed walking, the group of dogs trained with shock collars continued to show signs of stress while in the company of their handler. The authors concluded that shock-collar training is stressful; receiving shocks is a painful experience to dogs; and the shock group of dogs evidently learned that the presence of their owner (or his commands) announced the reception of shocks, even outside of the normal training context. They suggest that the welfare of these shocked dogs is at stake, at least in the presence of their owners. This study has come under considerable fire because the experience of the handlers and dogs is not clear, and the level of shock is not stated. With that said, it does suggest that dogs are stressed by the experience of being shocked during training. --------------------- Author and professional dog trainer LeeCharlesKelley wrote: Thanks, Jerry, that's a helpful bit from the guy who started it all. This shows what we've been saying: that teaching the dog to play fetch, regardless of its usefulness in the eventual search part of the training program, is a powerful motivator and reinforcer. Of course these idiots (pardon my being blunt) don't see using food and clickers as being a form of coercion. Maybe they've been hypnotized by Karen Pryor, et al: Freeze Frame {}: ~ ) From: canis55 Date: 1999/09/28 Subject: Dear Marilyn Re. Ness Dear Marilyn, I just visited your updated site. The two Ness pages are great. Freezing the video frames to reveal the emotional impact a leash correction has on a dog was a wonderful idea. Lee Kelley did something similar to a Brian Kilcommon video. The difference is we were focusing on the emotional impact a leash correction has on the trainer. When you do this to a training video you can clearly see the tremendous emotional charge some of these trainers are getting from hurting dogs. It's a strange business, this dog training. I wonder what motivates any of us to engage in it. I'm suspicious of anyone who says they do it because they love dogs. I know a lot of people who claim to love what dogs represent to them, and yet they don't become trainers. I don't think this is because they love something else more. I think there is a difference between loving what dogs represent to us and loving what training them creates in us or even creates in them for that matter. It's a complicated process and perhaps many of us have lost sight of what we're doing. I read books and articles that matter of factly explain how to systematically inflict pain on dogs in an effort to create a desire to perform tasks that I often see dogs performing of their own accord. I know many of these behaviors can be shaped and encouraged to the same degree of reliability without all the violence and pain. Where they can't (if that's the case), I wonder why we think a dog should perform a task that is so repugnant to its nature, that we must resort to violence and coercion to compel them to participate. Maybe I have far too much respect for dogs, but when I read this stuff it sounds like slavery and involuntary servitude to me. I can't see much difference between what we're doing to them (for their own good) and what my country men did to the African peoples for nearly half a century. It's hard for me to accept that I'm surrounded by so much madness, but I have to go with my heart on this one. Most of what we demand from dogs--if not all of it--will be offered willingly and enthusiastically if we only learn how to request it in a manner they can comprehend. If it turns out that I have to attack a dog to get it to do or to not do something, then maybe the dog isn't supposed to do what I think it should. The whole thing's so complicated that I can't really express it. I just know I don't like some of the stuff I'm seeing or reading about. -- I trains'em as I sees'em. ---------------- B.F. Skinner: Re-evaluation of Punishment: Punishment, unfortunately traditionally overused, actually has been proven not effective at long- term behavioral change, and creatures will find other ways of getting what it wants. In "Freedom and the control of men" American Scholar, Winter 1955-56, 25, 47-65. 1956 he states: If we no longer resort to torture in what we call the civilized world, we nevertheless still make extensive use of punitive techniques in both domestic and foreign relations. And apparently for good reasons. Nature if not God has created man in such a way that he can be controlled punitively. People quickly become skillful punishers (if not, thereby, skillful controllers), whereas alternative positive measures are not easily learned. The need for punishment seems to have the support of history, and alternative practices threaten the cherished values of freedom and dignity. Fear involved with punishment causes frustration: with typical results loathing, hostility and apathy. Skinner's teaching on the superiority of posittive reinforcement's benefits for keeping desired behavior have proved very valuable. ---------------------------- Why Do You Reward The Dog For Being Bad? Was: Punish Dogs Children SP-HOWESESWith PRAISE, Unconditional LOVE, TRUST, And RESPECT {) ; - ) Always praise the dog to show him that you affectionally support or love him. Praising the dog has nothing to do with what he has just done, it has to do with your relationship with him. "Good dog" means "I love you, dog". If the dog is anxious, then you make certain that he knows that he is in a safe and trusting environment. You praise and admire him. Correction is the opposite signal, you are my enemy, and this results, quite naturally, in the dog behaving aggresively - why not, you've declared that you are his enemy. Why does paradoxical reward work? The dog defecates on the floor. You come up and say "Good Dog" you love and praise him. THE DOG KNOWS YOU LOVE HIM. The dog defecates on the floor because he is anxious. No wild wolf, jackal, or coyote defecates in his den. If he defecates in his den its because a bear is outside trying to get in and eat him. The dog knows that it is stupid to defecate where he eats or sleeps. Don't you? If the dog feels safe he'll behave as if he is safe, no pooping on the living room floor. Almost all maladaptive behavior is due to fear, anxiety, expectation of disaster. Correct the situation, and the dog behaves fluently like a ..... Dog! Punishment deranges behavior, it is never never never appropriate. Love the dog. Praise is never punishment, praise is like giving a piece of steak. If you give a piece of steak to a dog after he defecates on the floor he'll stop defecating on the floor. Fondly, Dr. Von ---------------- Disciple Paulie Sez: "No One Understands How Wits End Training Really Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust And Understanding." Disciple Paulie Writes: I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and they always are, always. Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll find your dog thinking then responding everytime. A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to every aspect of the relationship with your dog. Obedience and affection are not related, if they were everyone would have obedient dogs. Paul. Subject: Here's A Word From Date: 2002-01-29 11:53:56 PST "Jerry Is On A One Man Jihad To Expose And Discredit Dog Abusing Trainers" Hello People, Here's a word from CEO @dogtv.com : Hello Fans, As the leading dog behavior and training guru/personality of our times, and as the ceo of the most important dogcasting network on the planet, I think it's only fair that I jump in here and break it down a little like this. I specialize not only in dogs, but in making complicated issues easy to understand. Which brings us to Jerry Howe. Jerry Howe knows moore about dogs and dog trainers and dog training methods than anyone who participates here. As for me, I have more skill than anyone here. As a result, I can train dogs brilliantly, and dramatically, even offleash on busy four lane highways in the concrete wastelands of America... http://dogtv.com/4LANE3.rm without having to worry about following any of Jerry's rigid guidelines for training dogs, or breaking any of the rules in his "gestalt" approach. And, for that matter, without having to rely on non-Jerry methods such as shock collars or having to use force which makes my dogs "will to resist fade in importance." You see, fans, I got my own methods, and you'll be finding out about those presently HOWE-ever, this is about Jerry, so let's talk Jerry. Most newbies here, or other people who are struggling, clueless and frustrated and doing things to train their dog that they know they should not do, or would rather not do, which either aren't working, or are even making things worse, etc...and so forth, can, via following the techniques in Jerry's FREE manual, get excellent results in a short period of time. He'll tell you HOWE, and I'll tell you WHY. Most of you have heard of Pavlov's bell, where dogs became conditioned to salivate at the sound of a bell after they were repeatedly fed immediately after the sound of the bell. That's called conditioning. And, while Jerry forcefully argues against the use of what he calls "food bribes" (which is HOWE, many other kinds of animals are trained, for instance, dolphins) dogs can be trained/conditioned with or without the use of food. Jerry chooses to go the non food route exclusively, and claims to get effective results, quickly, in virtually any kind of dog or situation. Nothing in my brilliant guru-ness leads me to believe that he is not being truthful with most of his claims about his training methods. And scientific conditioning, which applies and is effective on all dogs, and most other mammals and higher life forms, is the basis of Jerry's training. This is why, when Jerry says "a dog is a dog is a dog" he is correct, in a sense. Yes, there are breed differences, but yes, all dogs, regardless of breed, can be conditioned using scientific methods. As for Jerry's behavior here, I'm not a human trainer, and I don't try to train humans. But I do deal with people in the same brilliant way that I deal with dogs. I don't keep doing something which isn't working in order to try to get people to behave, any more than I try to do the same w/ dogs. The moore you try to force Jerry, or put Jerry in a Time Out or report him to his ISP, the worse his behavior gets. Jerry is on a one man Jihad to expose and discredit trainers who use this same idea of escalating punitivism, on dogs, which Jerry believes is responsible for causing the best dogs to get killed because of the fact that they will not submit to this linear approach of escalating force and punishment. His classic example of this phenomenon is a german shepherd named "Fritz" (do a google search). Many of Jerry's critics have a vested interest in Jerry being crazy. Because if he isn't, it makes them crazy for preaching that Jerry is crazy, so hard and for so long. But regardless, to anyone interested in training their dog effectively without force or punishment, Jerry's mental state is irrelevant and his advice is generally excellent, if sometimes overbearing. And finally, Jerry's approach is especially valuable for interrupting, stopping or extinguishing unwanted behaviors. I'm not so sure howe good it is when it comes to getting creative results out of dogs, or for teaching dogs tricks or complicated sequences (at least as far as I can tell). My only caveat with Jerry's method is that the idea of extinguishing behaviors is kind of like extinguishing biodiversity or any other resource. Each behavior is a resource to me, not necessarily a problem to be extinguished. You have to be careful what you extinguish. But, like jerry says, dogs don't do right or wrong, they do "dog." And his method does not punish them for doing wrong. It only tries to extinguish certain aspects of "dog" which can be problematical for people. That's all for now, gotta go back to my new job at an IT expert. It's a long and grueling one mile walk from home. -- this is michael reporting live... from the even faster loading http://dogtv.com ------------------- Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior From: "TooCool" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 18:56:16 GMT Subject: Thinking Dogs Using a proper training method, a method consonant with a dog's nature, it is possible to enhance a dog's ability to think. If their thinking faculty is not exercised and developed then dogs have a tendency to bounce around, like a billiard ball, from one stimulus to another. But when a dog's thinking faculty is exercised and developed then they enjoy using that faculty more and more. They begin to feel pride in their accomplishments-you can observe their delight in the way that they love to show off what they have learned. As their thinking faculty develops you will begin to see them improvise more and more, i.e., applying what they have learned to new situations. Operant conditioning (clicker training) does not exercise a dog's ability to think-it conditions a reflex like reaction at the nervous system level. If you desire to train a thinking dog, please read the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method-it caters to the nature of our thinking dogs. --Larry ------------------- From: Paul Bousie To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Geday. Hey J, I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the only advice worth reading. The problem with your method J is that I can't answer the questions on the NG no more, people are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm now really understanding that they are all result orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not realising they create a new one as they deal with the last. I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they don't even realise the errors of thier ways and they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority, after all if everyone says thats the way then it must be. I've finally realised people don't want to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog, they want a little puppet that sits and stays and downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so they think, then when the dog acts like a dog they come squealing to the NG asking how to stop the dog being a dog. I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind that I think demonstrates the way we approach dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents something about the dog, all of them create what a dog is. The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you can, problem is each one you stamp out another takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise, but thats the traditional way. Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog, that's what we get hold of with all the little circles inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG circle the macro as you put it and use that to train. I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they are critising something they don't even understand or even have the capacity to understand. See ya, Paul ------------------- From: "Marshall Dermer" To: "The Puppy Wizard" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard, I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to alert the world to animal abuse. We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work. Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work? In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors. --Marshall Dermer Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/ Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/University of Wisconsin- Milwaukee/Milwaukee,WI http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer -----------------------------*------ "The day may come when the rest of the animal creation may acquire those rights which never could have been withholden from them but by the hand of tyranny. The question is not can they REASON, nor can they TALK, but can they SUFFER?" - - Jeremy Bentham "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims, may be the most oppressive. Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - - C.S. Lewis. "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus (525BC-456BC), Agamemnon. "If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them, you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears, one destroys." Chief Dan George All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. ANY QUESTIONS, People? "Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad." - ~Aldous Huxley. "Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens!" "Against stupidity the Gods themselves contend in vain!" -Friedrich Schiller. INDEEDY. AND THAT'S HOWE COME THEY GOT ME NHOWE! In Love And Light, I Remain Respectfully, Humbly Yours, The WORLD'S CRUELEST Trainer, Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply A-M-A-Z-I-N-G *M-A-J-E-S-T-I-C* *G-R-A-N-D* *M-A-S-T-E-R* Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy, Ferret, Goat, Monkey SpHOWES And Horsey Wizard {) ;~ ) HOWE MAY I SERVE YOU {}; ~ ) Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, Human And Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory, BIOSOUND Scientific, Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 (Call ANY TIME) http://www.freewebs.com/thesimplyamazingpuppywizard E-mail: Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resear ch_Laboratory @HotMail.Com Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Resea rch_Laboratory @HotMail.Com TheSimplyAmazingPuppyWizard @HotMail.Com |
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