On Jul 10, 7:30*am, Janet Boss
wrote:
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*"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" wrote:



And Koz has started throwing up this evening, I think it may be that
she had her Dhlpp shot.

They gave an "L" in the combo? * didn't think anyone was doing that
anymore. * *How old is Koz?

What kind of dog is Dusty? *Sorry - I don't remember. *That's a big
weight loss, but blaming arthritis? *I'm a little confused.

--
Janet Bosswww.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Dusty is an American Shorthair Shepherd. Yep that is what they are
saying has caused the weight loss.

On Jul 10, 7:39*am, diddy none wrote:
"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" spoke these words of
wisdom in news:915ad705-2846-442c-a305-3c0a6c731449
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Dusty, aka Dust Bunny our shepherd has lost so much weight. In the
past 2 years she has gone from 120 lbs to 84 lbs today's weight.

84 pounds sounds like a good weight for a shepherd. Isn't this *a good
thing? Could overweight have contributed to her problem?

The problems with shepherds, is angulation extremes. *If they have problems
it's amplified. However, this SHOULD be reported to the breeder. This dog
is way too young for this.

*They

say her back end/back legs are full of arthritis and she is losing
muscle which is the cause of her weight loss. They said she will keep
losing weight as the arthritis gets worse. Dust is only 7 now and a
very big girl. She has some trouble getting up once in awhile but gets
the zoommies with the girls and will play with them outside, running
and bumping into each other.

This is just tragic.

*Dusty has always moved at her own pace,

which is usually slow unless she is playing. Keep you fingers and paws
crossed she keeps going strong for many more years.

Will do.

for her size she has always been at a good weight. 84 lbs is not for
her size. We will keep a close eye on her.

Jan
http://www.thefineartcafe.com

On Jul 10, 7:56*am, "kat" wrote:
"Janet Boss" wrote in message

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*"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" wrote:

And Koz has started throwing up this evening, I think it may be that
she had her Dhlpp shot.

They gave an "L" in the combo? * didn't think anyone was doing that
anymore.

Maybe it's a difference in vets? *Last year (at my old vet) she gave both
dogs that. *This year the vet gave a Lepto 4L and a Distemper w/o Corona
(whatever that is?).

* *How old is Koz?

Is that what made the difference? *Shadow is 9.

I've really started to rethink this whole vaccination thing since Shelby's
illness and was wondering what other people do/think. *I've asked both of
the different vets I've gone to in the last month what their take was on
yearly vacs and they both were pretty much on the same wavelenth. *i.e.
young dogs and older dogs immune systems are more 'fragile' therefore they
should be vaccinated yearly whereas middle aged dogs could *probably get by
with every 3 years but didn't recommend it. *At the last vet I specifically
asked about the distemper as Shadow is never in contact with other dogs
although I suppose there is always the (rare) possibility of contact with
widlife. I was still debating (I thought) whether or not to have it done
when he took Shadow in the back to draw bloodwork and then he vaccinated
him. *He now has a lump at the injection site - at least I assume it was the
injection site - that I'm keeping an eye on.

Kathy

Koz is only 3. She is going great today.

Jan
http://www.thefineartcafe.com

On 2008-07-10 13:10:41 -0400, "Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie"
said:

Dusty is an American Shorthair Shepherd. Yep that is what they are
saying has caused the weight loss.

Add me to the list of people who find that arthritis leading to weight
loss seems odd, but all I to go on is anecdotal evidence and no
veterinary training.

On Jul 10, 9:14*am,
"Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Rese arch_Laboratory"
Human_And_Animal_Behaviour_Forensic_Sciences_Rese
wrote:
HOWEDY jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie,

"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" wrote in ...

Dusty, aka Dust Bunny our shepherd has lost so much weight.
In the past 2 years she has gone from 120 lbs to 84 lbs today's
weight.

Sounds like your dog is DYIN on you, eh, jan {}: ~ (

They say her back end/back legs are full of arthritis and
she is losing muscle which is the cause of her weight loss.

That's ABSURD, jan {}: ~ (

There's LOTS you can do nutritionally to CURE arthritis.

Arthritis and other degenerative DIS-EASES are CAUSED BY
inapupriate unnecessary surgical sexual mutilations, EXXXCESSIVE
*and UNNECESSARY toxic vaccinations and toxic veterinary
prescribed parasite CON-TROLLS; IOW, it's an IATROGENIC
DIS-EASE, a.k.a. veterinary MALPRACTICE.

You'll find MUCH INFORMATION on the heelth page of
my manual *(it's the 4th link on the left side of the page).

Here's a couple EXXXCERPTS:

Nutrition and health care for the longevity of dogs and cats

by Susan G. Wynn, D.V.M.

http://www.treshanley.com/cic/arthritis.html

Spondylosis & Degenerative Spinal Diseases If your veterinarian
has told you your dog has spinal degeneration (spinal myelopathy)
and that there is nothing you can do to stop the progression of
weakness and rear end stiffness that eventually becomes rear end
paralysis, he is WRONG! *Dr. Belfield's program can CURE spinal
degeneration.

If your dog has been diagnosed with Spondylosis, this program
will also help with that, but it will not totally cure spondylosis.
The program comes from a really good California veterinarian, Dr.
Wendell O. Belfield of San Jose, CA.

In the mid-1970's, Dr. Belfield put together an all natural
supplement program to CURE spinal degeneration. *He
was successful. The program is cheap and effective.
Generally it can have the dog RUNNING, climbing stairs
and jumping onto your bed in 5-7 weeks.

It works by strengthening the dog's immune system.

Here is what Dr. Belfield wrote in his book, "How To Have
A Healthier Dog" by Wendell O. Belfield and Martin Zucker:

"What happens in this condition is a deterioration of the tissues
in and around the vertebrae. *The cause may be related to the aging
process. *The breakdown causes inflammation and some degree of
pressure on the spinal nerves that supply the hind quarters.

Difficulty in control of muscle movement and walking develops
into a paralysis. *The animal goes down in the hind quarter
and pathetically drags himself around on his front legs. *I
have seen forelegs become affected also. *The legs get stiff
and unsteady and eventually the animal is down altogether and
can't get up.

Symptoms: Poor appetite, pain and sensitivity in the spinal
region. *Progressive loss of control of the hind leg muscles
with accompanying dragging of the paws, swaying of the hind
end, and reduced ability to walk and jump. *Eventually develops
into a hind quarter paralysis and can move forward, affecting
the forelegs and the brain. *Most frequently seen in aging dogs."

The cure for this condition is deceptively simple: Vitamin C
(Ester C preferred) and Vitamin E are given per the age and
weight of the dog. *If you require this information, get in
touch, or you can get Dr. Belfield's book from your library
or from his web site. *The information is in a chart in the
center of the book.

The rest of the program consists of:

Comprehensive vit/min supplement (I use Theralin VMP vit/min
tablets by Lambert Kay - you can get them cheapest from
Cherrybrook 1-800-524-0820 or Jeffers pet catalog 1-800-533-3377)
Dose *per instructions on the bottle. I STRONGLY suggest that you
use only Theralin VMP. An owner who used a less comprehensive vit/
min found that her dog did not respond for 3 weeks longer than any
other dog on the program.

I also give BYS (garlic/yeast tablets) It's loaded with B vitamins.
Also from Cherrybrook - Dose is per instructions on the bottle. *A
side benefit is that it gives the dog's skin a smell that fleas and
ticks find offensive, so they tend to stay off the dog. People cannot
smell anything different.

I get the C & E at the drugstore. Don't bother to buy C with rose
hips, according to Belfield it does nothing to help the C work. I
do, however, buy the brand that says on the label, "No soy, no
sugar, no preservatives, etc."

Do not buy time released vitamin C. *If you feel compelled to use a
buffered C, get sodium ascorbate (Ester C) as Belfield says it is
least likely to cause diarrhea and that it is the one that works best
in dogs. *I've always used regular vitamin C with my dogs. *I smear
cream cheese on the pills and give them with the dog's meal.

Give the above with food as vitamins are absorbed better that way and
the food buffers the dog's stomach against the acidity of the vitamin
C. If the dog's stool becomes mushy, it's the C. Back down on the dose
and gradually over a week or so build it back up to the proper level,
OR start lower than recommended and slowly build up to the proper
amount over a 3 week period.

Belfield is not a crazy vet. His methods are currently being taught
to vet students. The supplement program takes 5 -7 weeks to totally
strengthen the dog's immune system. I've seen dogs respond in a week
and heard of one case where it took a Great Dane 7 weeks.

Belfield's program is GREAT for skin problems, chronic ear infections,
and rear end problems with older dogs (spinal degeneration). The
information for the above supplementation program is based on the
work of Dr. Wendell O. Belfield, a San Jose, CA veterinarian. *Dr.
Belfield does not specifically advocate the use of Theralin VMP or
BYS. You can buy Dr. Belfield's book through his web site:http://www.belfield.com/books.html

* * * * * * * * * -----------

They said she will keep losing weight as the arthritis gets worse.

Her "arthritis" will GET WORSE on accHOWENTA your
veterinary MALPRACTICIONER don't know HOWE to
CURE ANY DIS-EASE. IN FACT, his veterinary apuproved
TOXINS and GARBAGE commercial diets have CAUSED
*your dog's debilitation:

There are a great many non toxic non pharmacutical
Nutritional Information / Resources. Here's a few more
EFFECTIVE NON PHARMACUTICAL supplements:

Oaklyn Plantation:

http://www.freerangechicken.comground
chicken necks (source of thyroid)

http://www.grasslandbeef.comground
pancreas and thymus gland

Price-Pottenger Nutrition Foundation:http://www.price-pottenger.org/

www.http://www.westonaprice.org

Dr. Michael Halliday - ArthrotolT -http://www.vetcures.com/

Vital-Earth Minerals, LLC
Toll Free:
1-866-291-4400http://www.vitalearth.org

Arthritis Relief. *http://www.goodpet.com.

Vital-Earth Minerals, LLC
Toll Free:
1-866-291-4400http://www.vitalearth.org

Cosequin -- contains glucosamine, chondroitin
sulfate, and manganese ascorbate.

Prozyme -- a powdered enzyme supplement that
*has multiple benefits:http://www.drtheo.com/

Fulvic- the Super Antioxidant:http://tinyurl.com/rbl8j

Dog Gone Pain:
*http://www.doggonepain.com/shopping/sample.asp

Dust is only 7 now and a very big girl.

It's INHUMANE that your dog should be so DEATHLY ILL.

She has some trouble getting up once in awhile but gets the
zoommies with the girls and will play with them outside,
running and bumping into each other.

The so called "zoomies" are an anXXXIHOWESNESS
RELIEF MECHANISM CAUSED BY STRESS from
MISHANDLING, not an affect of PLAY behavior, jan.

Dusty has always moved at her own pace, which is usually
slow unless she is playing. Keep you fingers and paws
crossed she keeps going strong for many more years.

Perhaps you can catch all your TEARS in a bottle and when
you got enough you can make a watercolor portrait with them
of your DEATHLY ILL dog and title it sumpthin cutsey like
"I cry for my DEATHLY ILL DOG but STILL poison her to
*make me cry the tears to fulfill my art"?

I haven't ATTACKED you despite your constant empathy
and spam to these chronic manic depressive mental cases.
UNTIL today, of curse {}'; ~ )

And Koz has started throwing up this evening,

Naaaah?

I think it may be that she had her Dhlpp shot.

That's ABSURD, jan. WE KNOW it's on accHOWENTA
your UNNECESSARY, INAPUPRIATE veterinary toxins
just like Dusty's arthritis.

Has anyone doodles been sick after getting that shot??

MOST of them, jan. HOWEver, they usually DON'T KNOW IT.
These imbeciles can't make the CONnection between HURTIN
INTIMIDATIN an MUTILATIN their DEATHLY ILL dogs and
their DIS-EASES.

They think their DEATHLY ILL an DEAD critters "just
*happend" to DROP DEAD on them by COINcidence.

That's the latest and greatest at our house! NOT!!!

Well jan, get enough tears and you can make a portrait
of BOTH of your DEATHLY ILL dogs and maybe your
veterinary malpracticioner will consign you to do other
portraits for the rest of his CASH CUSTOMERS whose
dogs he's POISONED??

That might not take away a lotta the PAIN but it WILL
pay your veterinary malpracticioner's costs and for buryin
your dogs, jan {}: ~ (

Jan and the girls
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I have a question for you,

How many people tell you, you are an ass.

Jan
Specializing in pet portraits
I don't need tears to make a painting of my so called dying dog!
http://www.thefineartcafe.com

I read your stuff on here before and thought you were a jerk, you
really are!

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"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" wrote:


Dusty is an American Shorthair Shepherd. Yep that is what they are
saying has caused the weight loss.

I don't buy it. I wouldn't settle for that answer - it really doesn't
make a lot of sense. While arthritis may lead to loss of muscle mass
(as does aging), that's a hell of a lot of muscle to lose. OTOH, she
sounds like she was overweight to begin with. I'm not sure exactly what
an American Shorthair Shepherd IS.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
elegy wrote:


Lepto is very much on the rise again, including through the
mid-atlantic states. just fyi.

i vaccinate my dogs. i've seen dogs die from it. it's not a fun
disease.

yes, I vaccinate as well. Just not in a combo shot or at the same time.
Marcie didn't do Lepto until she was 6 months, a few months after her
combo vaccs were done.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" wrote in message:

Dusty is an American Shorthair Shepherd. Yep that is what they are
saying has caused the weight loss.

Can't say that I'm buying this either. Pan has severe bilateral CHD and has
been arthritic since she was a year old (she's 7). Khan is 9 or 10 and is
arthritic as well. My friend's GSD was diagnosed with crippling CHD at 6
months of age and has perhaps the worst hips of any dog I've ever known (he
can't even 'climb up' into a dog bed), at age 10. None of these dogs have
lost any weight due to arthritis.

You can lose tone and muscle mass due to inability to move, but the sort of
weight loss you describe does not sound at all like it is a result of that.

Suja

"Jan, Kozzie Girl and Sylvie" said in
rec.pets.dogs.health:

I read your stuff on here before and thought you were a
jerk, you really are!

But you're OK with repeating his stuff to 5 newsgroups, to
people who've had him killfiled for years?

Jerk.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

In article ,
Janet Boss wrote:
I don't buy it.

Me either. Maybe it's possible, but I dunno. I've never
heard of it happening, while there are a lot of other, more
common reasons for it.

I'm not sure exactly what
an American Shorthair Shepherd IS.

I never heard of one of those, either, so I looked it up. I
think it's an "American Shepherd," of a short-haired
variety. Not that I've ever heard of an American Shepherd
before but that doesn't mean anything.
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