In article A6uik.22$wS4.19@trnddc03,
\(the\)duckster wrote:
What did you do to restore order?

Back to basics. I couldn't tether them all to me, so
whenever somebody transitioned from dozing to walking they
were put outside.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
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I think Muttley did rather well "proving" that he can be reliable
off-leash.

All that was proved is that *this time,* he didn't run out into traffic or
travel farther while he was off-leash.

Next time could well be a whole different story.

flick 100785

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
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I suppose it's not that big a deal to put his harness on, but it's also
not such a terrible thing to have him tethered with the choke collar
hooked up so it does not "choke", but simply fits around his neck. It is
safe enough to avoid a choking hazard, as I realized some time ago after
having had him tied out on the choker chain (in choke mode) and tether for
up to 12 hours unattended. It was especially dangerous because he somtimes
got the tether wrapped around a tree, and he also had access to a deck
from which he could have fallen and gotten hung. But I will try to use the
harness, as it will probably be safer as far as his being able to escape.
Yet he has been able to somehow get loose from his car harness, so I don't
think anything is 100% safe.

No, nothing is 100% safe sigh.

Using the choke collar the way you did won't choke him, but it's awfully
easy for him to slip it off - as you have BOTH discovered.

Please put his harness on next time.

flick 100785

"Paul E. Schoen" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

All's well that ends well.

Good for you.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Usually he's fine that way while I'm watching him, but sometimes he rolls
around and the chain can slip off. And it's dangerous to use it on a tether
in choke mode.

You've put your dog into a life-threatening situation - according to
you - repeatedly.

You detail how your dog has not actually shown any interest is
listening to you and you mistake his not running into traffic as
knowing his boundaries. Maybe he just doesn't want to run into traffic
today.

You ask for suggestions about how to teach Muttley a reliable recall,
a topic that has been discussed repeatedly with a variety of detailed
step-by-step instructions (Google is your friend).

You go on to write that putting your beloved project dog into a
harness is too much bother even though he has slipped collars that you
have used.

You have a solid history of not following advice and the temerity to
ask for more.

I'm glad your dog wasn't killed due to your negligence and laziness. I
am afraid one day the outcome will not be as good.

I assume you will find fault with others for something.

No-one offers you constructive suggestions? Whatever would you do with
them?

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
And possibly some methods of teaching reliable off-leash
behavior and recall. This is not the first time he has been off-leash, and
on one other occasion he behaved in a somewhat similar manner. At that
time, he had wandered up the hill into a wooded area with a meadow, and I
found him visiting in the neighbor's back yard. When I called him,
eventually he came running toward me, with a big smile, and then he shot
past me into the woods on the other side. Eventually he came back out, and
let me hook him up to his leash to walk back to the house.

Which does lead me to wonder why you haven't trained him to have
a solid recall. Next squirrel, he might not come back, might
shoot across the road. The recall is more for his safety than
your convenience.

FurPaw


--
The plural of anecdote is not proof.

To reply, unleash the dog.

Paul E. Schoen wrote:

I expect to be either criticized or ignored. That's OK. Neither will change
what happened, or in any way be constructive. I already know that I should
have had him on a harness, rather than a choker chain in non-choke mode.
Usually he's fine that way while I'm watching him, but sometimes he rolls
around and the chain can slip off. And it's dangerous to use it on a tether
in choke mode.


How about a friendly suggestion.
Using a type of collar that fits (checked regularly for fit as the dog
is losing weight and changing sizes) and doesn't slip off is important
but not nearly as important as training a recall.


--Lia

"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message
...
Paul E. Schoen wrote:
I expect to be either criticized or ignored. That's OK. Neither will
change what happened, or in any way be constructive. I already know that
I should have had him on a harness, rather than a choker chain in
non-choke mode. Usually he's fine that way while I'm watching him, but
sometimes he rolls around and the chain can slip off. And it's dangerous
to use it on a tether in choke mode.


How about a friendly suggestion.
Using a type of collar that fits (checked regularly for fit as the dog is
losing weight and changing sizes) and doesn't slip off is important but
not nearly as important as training a recall.


--Lia


Paul, I purchased some very nice collars and leads for Gracie and Merlin
from this site:


http://leerburg.com/

I'm very pleased with the quality of merchandise and promptness of shipping.
The prices are good too.

td

In article ,
tiny dancer wrote:
Paul, I purchased some very nice collars and leads for Gracie and Merlin
from this site:

Do you honestly think that the problem here is that Paul
can't find an appropriate collar?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

(Melinda Shore) wrote in news:g6ffml$cr9$1
@panix2.panix.com:

Do you honestly think that the problem here is that Paul
can't find an appropriate collar?

More to the point, why would anyone want to put themselves in the
position of offering advice to Paul, then being stalked and blamed
for the next umpteen years when Paul screws it up?

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)