Shelly wrote:

More to the point, why would anyone want to put themselves in the
position of offering advice to Paul, then being stalked and blamed
for the next umpteen years when Paul screws it up?


In my case, it's because I get a certain perverse joy in needling some
people. I get more perverse joy if I do it in the most inoccuous ways,
just little jabs such that the needleee has to twist into pretzels to
find fault with me.


--Lia

In article ,
Julia Altshuler wrote:
I get more perverse joy if I do it in the most inoccuous ways,

You misspelled the misspelling of "passive-aggressive."
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Julia Altshuler" wrote in message
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Shelly wrote:

More to the point, why would anyone want to put themselves in the
position of offering advice to Paul, then being stalked and blamed for
the next umpteen years when Paul screws it up?


In my case, it's because I get a certain perverse joy in needling some
people. I get more perverse joy if I do it in the most inoccuous ways,
just little jabs such that the needleee has to twist into pretzels to
find fault with me.

Just as I find humor and entertainment by pushing buttons and seeing a
flurry of activity as a result. I don't get any positive comments when I
just post something of interest, so it is more fun to post something
controversial. But I keep it factual, and I will respond when someone makes
a false statement. If someone has paranoid delusions about being stalked,
then that is their problem and they should seek professional help.

Now, let's see if the RPDB revisionists and malcontents will take the bait
and make a tweener.

Paul and Muttley

Melinda Shore wrote:

You misspelled the misspelling of "passive-aggressive."


Ah, but how do we tell the difference between helpful friendly
suggestions that are meant to be helpful and friendly, and helpful
friendly suggestions that are meant to needle? I'm not always needling,
not even usually. But sometimes I run into people who see needles
everywhere, so they see passive aggressiveness everywhere. It's kind of
fun when I find those.


--Lia

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote:


He would probably be OK off-leash,

I see nothing in your post that would lead to this conclusion.
The fact that he didn't go into the road or take off into the woods *this*
time is no guarantee that he won't next time.

I just can't take that chance. We were probably very lucky on this
adventure.

I don't think there's any "probably" about it, given the speed people hit
on Warren Road, and the fact that he still has no recall.

I already know that I should have had him on a harness, rather than a
choker chain in non-choke mode.

Why a harness?
For tethering while you're out with him, IMO your best bet would be a
martingale aka "combo" collar; Petsmart sells them cheaply, and the shop
next to Falls Road Animal hospital carries (or used to carry) Lupines, which
aren't cheap but last forever (and have a lifetime guarantee, to boot).
Most professional or commercial dog walkers insist on them for client dogs,
because if they're adjusted properly, they're damn near escape-proof but
can't choke the dog, and are comfortable otherwise. Not to mention easy to
take on and off, since they just slip over the dog's head.

"sionnach" wrote:

Most professional or commercial dog walkers insist on them for client
dogs,

mmph. That should say "most.... that I know".

"sionnach" wrote in message
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote:


He would probably be OK off-leash,

I see nothing in your post that would lead to this conclusion.
The fact that he didn't go into the road or take off into the woods
*this* time is no guarantee that he won't next time.

I just can't take that chance. We were probably very lucky on this
adventure.

I don't think there's any "probably" about it, given the speed people
hit on Warren Road, and the fact that he still has no recall.

I already know that I should have had him on a harness, rather than a
choker chain in non-choke mode.

Why a harness?
For tethering while you're out with him, IMO your best bet would be a
martingale aka "combo" collar; Petsmart sells them cheaply, and the shop
next to Falls Road Animal hospital carries (or used to carry) Lupines,
which aren't cheap but last forever (and have a lifetime guarantee, to
boot).
Most professional or commercial dog walkers insist on them for client
dogs, because if they're adjusted properly, they're damn near
escape-proof but can't choke the dog, and are comfortable otherwise. Not
to mention easy to take on and off, since they just slip over the dog's
head.

I do have a limited slip flat collar that is probably what you are
suggesting. It sems to work fairly well. Thanks.

Paul and Muttley

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article A6uik.22$wS4.19@trnddc03,
\(the\)duckster wrote:
What did you do to restore order?

Back to basics. I couldn't tether them all to me, so
whenever somebody transitioned from dozing to walking they
were put outside.

Night, too?

I noticed your mentioned the crates are in your bedroom (mine too). Do you
crate and close up the pack at night?

Two start out in crates, one ont he bed. Since I get up every couple of
hours to go to the bathroom. That, of course, motivates the four-leggeds to
do the same. 11:00, 1:00, 3:00 - you can set your watch by us.

My peeing issues seem to be more anxiety centered. Any change in the
normal - like the arrival of Phelps the electrican to deal with the pool
heater - and my locking up the mob in the house. Bodie had a fit, marched
downstairs cocked, aimed, fired onto the dehumidifier. Then nailed a
comfortor upstairs.

Thank goodness for a good carpet cleaner, rubber undersheets, and a good
investment in a top loading washer and high efficiency dryer.

Happens now so infrequently that I cannot get a handle on the trigger other
than maybe stress. The two other ones happily do not respond in kind.

Kind regards,
(the)duckster

In article RcZik.138$JH5.52@trnddc06,
\(the\)duckster wrote:
Night, too?

No, although I usually get up at least once during the night
and if someone gets up with me I'll put them out for a few
minutes.

I noticed your mentioned the crates are in your bedroom (mine too). Do you
crate and close up the pack at night?

No, not at all. The crates stay open. One thing that the
different dogs have responded to differently is that Jack
likes to crate-sample, often falling asleep in other dogs'
crates. Eclipse doesn't like it, most of the other dogs
don't care, but it's got Saber, who's blind, nervous about
entering his own crate. I assume it's because he can't see
whether or not there's another dog in there already.

More annoying to me, perhaps, is that Jack likes to play
nose hockey with Emmett's dish in Emmett's crate. Very
noisy, so I now pick up everybody's dishes before bed.

My peeing issues seem to be more anxiety centered. Any change in the
normal - like the arrival of Phelps the electrican to deal with the pool
heater - and my locking up the mob in the house. Bodie had a fit, marched
downstairs cocked, aimed, fired onto the dehumidifier. Then nailed a
comfortor upstairs.

No, that's nothing like what was going on here. Image
has marked spots in the house as a toilet and the other dogs
were like "Look - a toilet!"
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

On Jul 25, 8:04*pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
"Phyrie" wrote in message

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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
.. .

I expect to be either criticized or ignored. That's OK. Neither will
change what happened, or in any way be constructive. I already know that
I should have had him on a harness, rather than a choker chain in
non-choke mode. Usually he's fine that way while I'm watching him, but
sometimes he rolls around and the chain can slip off. And it's dangerous
to use it on a tether in choke mode.

Paul and "FreeDog" Muttley

Oh, Paul, if you know Muttley shouldn't be in a choke chain on a tether,
why was he? *I was so willing to give you (and everyone else here) the
benefit of the doubt, but I can't help but believe that what they say
about you is true. *If you knew it was wrong, and did it anyway, and THEN
posted here so people could give you **** about it, you are an
attention-seeking idiot. *If I do something really ****ing stupid, and I
know it was stupid, I would keep it to myself. *Why open myself up for a
smackdown, unless all I want is to generate ANY kind of feedback. *Even
if it's "You're a dumbass" kind of attention. *Not that you care, but I'm
finished with you now. *I hope your stupidity doesn't cause Muttley's
injury or death, but I'm doubtful anyone so idiotic, self-centred and
self-deluded as you can keep him out of harm's way.
Muttley, I wish you well. *You're gonna need all the help you can get..

It's not such a bad thing for temporary and supervised use, as when I'm
with him out front, or when I let him out back for a few minutes to do his
business if I can't take him out. But thank you for your concern. I'm sure
others will either chime in with even more negative comments, or ignore it.