The owner of the dog and I both agree that in the grand scheme of things,
this pobably doesn't matter, but it is annoying the hell out of her, so I
thought I'd ask for opinions here and get back to her.

Lady from the dog park has two dogs, Oliver (male Boxer, a little over a
year old) and Sid (male Dogo, 8 months old). Oliver is very much her
speed - pretty laid back, friendly to all, but not overtly solicitous and a
little aloof. When she got Sid, she asked the breeder for a dog she could
take to the dog park and near all sorts of people, and that's exactly what
she got. Except, he loves, loves, loves people, and whines and cries and
throws himself on the ground when he wants pets. She says that it's
embarassing when she goes on hikes or to the vet because he sounds like he's
tormented when people don't pay attention to him (I've watched this too),
and her friends all gravitate towards Oliver because he enjoys the attention
without being such a pest about it.

So, any ideas on teaching him a little more self control? She doesn't want
him to dislike people, just not be so eager to end up in their laps.

Suja

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"Suja" wrote:


So, any ideas on teaching him a little more self control? She doesn't want
him to dislike people, just not be so eager to end up in their laps.

Suja

Sit. Stay.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message;

Sit. Stay.

He does. Or rather, he kennels up on command so he can stay out of the way.
It's the whining and crying and drama that she could do without.

For instance. We were standing at the parking lot of the dog park, talking
about this. He was looking at me, his rear end going a mile a minute,
whining the whole time. I continued to ignore him, and when he was
distracted and quit it, I called him and gave him pets. He got a little
pushy about it, so I stopped, and he threw himself on the ground, belly up,
tail wagging and whining when I didn't give him any attention.

He isn't a rude dog. No jumping up, no nudging of hands, etc. But, he does
want the attention, NOW!!! and is especially adept at suckering new people
into it. She would really rather he left people alone until they ask if he
wants pets.

Suja

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"Suja" wrote:


For instance. We were standing at the parking lot of the dog park, talking
about this. He was looking at me, his rear end going a mile a minute,
whining the whole time. I continued to ignore him, and when he was
distracted and quit it, I called him and gave him pets. He got a little
pushy about it, so I stopped, and he threw himself on the ground, belly up,
tail wagging and whining when I didn't give him any attention.

He isn't a rude dog. No jumping up, no nudging of hands, etc. But, he does
want the attention, NOW!!! and is especially adept at suckering new people
into it. She would really rather he left people alone until they ask if he
wants pets.

I would teach him to hold things. A toy in the mouth can diffuse this
very well. So can direction rather than just asking him stand or sit
still. Have him do specific things. The more she works through it, the
better it will get. And of course, tell people he is NOT to be petted
unless he is quiet and calm.

I went through this stuff with Franklin and field training (he was a
relatively silent throw-himself-at-people's feet otherwise). He was so
excited to be out in the field that he would squeal, dance, and just be
crazed. The e-collar made a HUGE difference in accomplishing the self
control that he needed. Not correcting per se, but enforcing commands.
Perhaps not easy to explain, but very, very useful.

I have obscenely social dogs. I know this is not a simple thing to deal
with.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Suja" spoke these words of wisdom in
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The owner of the dog and I both agree that in the grand scheme of
things, this pobably doesn't matter, but it is annoying the hell out of
her, so I thought I'd ask for opinions here and get back to her.

Lady from the dog park has two dogs, Oliver (male Boxer, a little over a
year old) and Sid (male Dogo, 8 months old). Oliver is very much her
speed - pretty laid back, friendly to all, but not overtly solicitous
and a little aloof. When she got Sid, she asked the breeder for a dog
she could take to the dog park and near all sorts of people, and that's
exactly what she got. Except, he loves, loves, loves people, and whines
and cries and throws himself on the ground when he wants pets. She says
that it's embarassing when she goes on hikes or to the vet because he
sounds like he's tormented when people don't pay attention to him (I've
watched this too), and her friends all gravitate towards Oliver because
he enjoys the attention without being such a pest about it.

So, any ideas on teaching him a little more self control? She doesn't
want him to dislike people, just not be so eager to end up in their
laps.

Suja




It IS a problem. I have a friend with a dog like this. And she's a work in
progress. She's finally getting there, but it takes a hands on observance
of the dog and her relationship with the dog to show her what she's doing
wrong, and how to develop the dog's self control and learn to wait for
behavior appropriately.

It's more of a ignore this, correct that, wait for this, reward NOW type of
process. Hoe do you describe a sense of feel?

"Suja" spoke these words of wisdom in
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And of course, tell people he is NOT to be petted
unless he is quiet and calm.

That's one of the things she's going to do. Put up a sign outside her
door that says 'Dogs in training. Do not pet'. It's harder to do at
the dog park or when on walks.
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"Janet Boss" wrote in message:

I would teach him to hold things. A toy in the mouth can diffuse this
very well.

That's worth a shot.

So can direction rather than just asking him stand or sit
still. Have him do specific things. The more she works through it, the
better it will get.

I had told her that he needs to have something specific to do, didn't think
through beyond that. Thanks.

And of course, tell people he is NOT to be petted
unless he is quiet and calm.

That's one of the things she's going to do. Put up a sign outside her door
that says 'Dogs in training. Do not pet'. It's harder to do at the dog
park or when on walks.

I have obscenely social dogs. I know this is not a simple thing to deal
with.

He's a GR in a Dogo suit. That's not what she wanted or expected.

Suja

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"diddy" none wrote in message:

It IS a problem. I have a friend with a dog like this. And she's a work
in
progress. She's finally getting there, but it takes a hands on
observance
of the dog and her relationship with the dog to show her what she's
doing
wrong, and how to develop the dog's self control and learn to wait for
behavior appropriately.

Any guidance on what to look for, what to ask? I've known him since he
was
a 9 or 10 week old puppy, and his owner for about a year, and have a good
sense of both their personalities and the type of relationship they have.

We have talked about what to reward and ignore; didn't feel that
correction
would be appropriate in case it turned out to be counter productive. I
thought that some confidence building might be in order, and she's
planning
on starting agility with both dogs later in the year (Oliver first,
'cause
Sid's still growing).

Suja




First, I had to teach my friend to direct her dog so that her dog develops
the belief that she CAN earn attention appropriately.
My friend was doing a LOT of rewarding for the exact sort of behavior she
did not want, she simply wasn't aware if it.

So it was more catching her when she rewarded the negative behaviors, and
combined it with teaching the dog it can appropriately earn attention (by
bringing stuff, doing tricks, or just paying for quiet)
Pay for quiet is a huge factor, in that the dog learns that when it's
sitting quietly, it gets paid. NOT when it's fidgeting, or whining.
It takes a great effort on the trainer, because the trainer basicly paid
the dog on demand by it's rude behaviors. This worked for the dog.

The handler needs to learn to pay attention the QUIET times and make a
concerted effort to pay for those, and totally ignoring the attention
getting behaviors. And yes, I would get that dog a patch.. DO NOT PET. This
is not the time you want people petting the dog. They may pet, when she
TELLS them that they may.

"diddy" none wrote in message:

It IS a problem. I have a friend with a dog like this. And she's a work in
progress. She's finally getting there, but it takes a hands on observance
of the dog and her relationship with the dog to show her what she's doing
wrong, and how to develop the dog's self control and learn to wait for
behavior appropriately.

Any guidance on what to look for, what to ask? I've known him since he was
a 9 or 10 week old puppy, and his owner for about a year, and have a good
sense of both their personalities and the type of relationship they have.

We have talked about what to reward and ignore; didn't feel that correction
would be appropriate in case it turned out to be counter productive. I
thought that some confidence building might be in order, and she's planning
on starting agility with both dogs later in the year (Oliver first, 'cause
Sid's still growing).

Suja

"diddy" none wrote in message:

First, I had to teach my friend to direct her dog so that her dog develops
the belief that she CAN earn attention appropriately.
My friend was doing a LOT of rewarding for the exact sort of behavior she
did not want, she simply wasn't aware if it.

There's a little bit of information I inadvertently left out. This dog
never solicits attention inappropriately from the owner. He only does it to
other people.

So it was more catching her when she rewarded the negative behaviors, and
combined it with teaching the dog it can appropriately earn attention (by
bringing stuff, doing tricks, or just paying for quiet)

I've been watching the dog and owner, and although she initially let his
'Pet me, pet me' behavior go, she is being pretty diligent about reeling him
in when she feels the behavior is inappropriate.

The handler needs to learn to pay attention the QUIET times and make a
concerted effort to pay for those, and totally ignoring the attention
getting behaviors.

This is going to be part of the challenge. Not so much with the owner, but
with everyone else. There are people that love that he's such a love bug
and are more than happy to indulge him (they're regulars, so all of us know
the dog very well).

And yes, I would get that dog a patch.. DO NOT PET. This
is not the time you want people petting the dog. They may pet, when she
TELLS them that they may.

I will let her know. Thank you!

Suja