I was wondering if anyone else watched the 2 hour Dog Town episode,
featuring the Vick dogs. It was really pretty interesting, in terms of
watching the dogs' behavior and how it evolved with some care and training.
I realize that they likely edited it pretty seriously in order to squeeze
all the dogs and their progress into a 2 hour slot, but did anyone else
wonder why it is that they were not doing more focus work with these dogs?
With the dogs being as reactive as some of these, doesn't that make more
sense?

Suja

"Suja" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if anyone else watched the 2 hour Dog Town episode,
featuring the Vick dogs. It was really pretty interesting, in terms of
watching the dogs' behavior and how it evolved with some care and
training.
I realize that they likely edited it pretty seriously in order to squeeze
all the dogs and their progress into a 2 hour slot, but did anyone else
wonder why it is that they were not doing more focus work with these
dogs?
With the dogs being as reactive as some of these, doesn't that make more
sense?

I did not watch the episode, but there was a spot on the news last night
about Leo, who is now a therapy dog at a cancer ward in Mountain View, CA,
and also at a facility in San Jose. He really does not look like the
typical Pit Bull, and actually bears a resemblance to Muttley. See:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25214356/

There is even a reference on an Anatolian Shepherd dog site:
http://www.cobankopegi.com/blog/2008...erapy-dog.html

Here is a clip on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBqn9njo_0

Leo seems to have a naturally sweet disposition, and may have been rescued
before he had been mistreated very much. He does seem rather aloof, like
Muttley, and does not mind the attention, but also does not crave it and
solicit it as some dogs do. I was a bit surprised to see the handler keep
him on such a tight leash.

Paul and Potential Therapy Dog Muttley

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 02:20:21 -0400, Paul E. Schoen wrote:

"Suja" wrote in message
...
I was wondering if anyone else watched the 2 hour Dog Town episode,
featuring the Vick dogs. It was really pretty interesting, in terms of
watching the dogs' behavior and how it evolved with some care and
training.
I realize that they likely edited it pretty seriously in order to
squeeze all the dogs and their progress into a 2 hour slot, but did
anyone else wonder why it is that they were not doing more focus work
with these dogs?
With the dogs being as reactive as some of these, doesn't that make
more sense?

I did not watch the episode, but there was a spot on the news last night
about Leo, who is now a therapy dog at a cancer ward in Mountain View,
CA, and also at a facility in San Jose. He really does not look like the
typical Pit Bull, and actually bears a resemblance to Muttley. See:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25214356/

I can't see the video for some reason so all I have to go on is a head
shot, but he looks pretty pit bull to me. The bully features don't look
as pronounced as some I have seen that were bred for fighting, but still
looks like a pit bull to me. Perhaps it is the friendly look that is
confusing you. Perhaps the resemblance to Muttley is because many people
told you he possibly had some pit in him.


There is even a reference on an Anatolian Shepherd dog site:
http://www.cobankopegi.com/blog/2008...comes-therapy-
dog.html

Here is a clip on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBqn9njo_0

Leo seems to have a naturally sweet disposition, and may have been
rescued before he had been mistreated very much.

OR, perhaps it's just a resilient breed that can take a lickin' and keep
on tickin'. I'm more inclined to believe my theory over yours, after
all, if memory serves only one was deemed to have an unstable temperament
and unable to be saved. Did Vick only have that one dog for an extended
period of time? I think not.

He does seem rather
aloof, like Muttley, and does not mind the attention, but also does not
crave it and solicit it as some dogs do. I was a bit surprised to see
the handler keep him on such a tight leash.

As I couldn't see the video I don't have a clue how tight a leash he was
on, but since you thought Tuck was snarky bitey or whatever, I wonder if
it was a "short" leash and not a "tight" leash. I can walk Yoda on about
18 inches of leash and have it not be "tight".

Nick

Nick spoke these words of wisdom
in :


As I couldn't see the video I don't have a clue how tight a leash he was
on, but since you thought Tuck was snarky bitey or whatever, I wonder if
it was a "short" leash and not a "tight" leash. I can walk Yoda on about
18 inches of leash and have it not be "tight".

Nick




Oh sheesh.. Tuck has never been snarky or bitey at any time in his whole
life. Anyone who ever met him would testify that he's a gregarious, goofy,
loves everyone, gentle kind of guy.
He works with kids in the READ program. Which means people who actually
know what they are looking at, determined him NOT to be a bite risk. Tuck
works in dog classes as the dog that helps rehab dog aggressive dogs.
Because he absolutely will NOT retaliate, no matter what happens around
him.
If Paul is claiming Tuck is snarky and bitey, his imagination is working
overtime, and Paul is prevaricating, AGAIN.

If there was ever a dog that could NOT be provoked, I guarantee it's Tuck.

I've never even see him curl a lip. Not once..ever.

He will not even touch you with a tooth when taking a treat. he's very
careful about that.

Nick. Do you REALLY believe Paul? REALLLY?

Nick spoke these words of wisdom
in :


As I couldn't see the video I don't have a clue how tight a leash he was
on, but since you thought Tuck was snarky bitey or whatever, I wonder if
it was a "short" leash and not a "tight" leash. I can walk Yoda on about
18 inches of leash and have it not be "tight".

Nick




Come to think of it Nick.. Where do you live? If you really think Tuck is
snarky, and you are at all within a reasonable distance, I will bring him to
you to meet him. The more people who meet Tuck, the more it makes my case
that Tuck is everything I say he is, and everything Paul says he is NOT.
Paul prevaricates in order to glorify himself and muttley

"diddy" none wrote in message
. ..
Nick spoke these words of
wisdom
in :


As I couldn't see the video I don't have a clue how tight a leash he was
on, but since you thought Tuck was snarky bitey or whatever, I wonder if
it was a "short" leash and not a "tight" leash. I can walk Yoda on
about
18 inches of leash and have it not be "tight".

Nick




Come to think of it Nick.. Where do you live? If you really think Tuck is
snarky, and you are at all within a reasonable distance, I will bring him
to
you to meet him. The more people who meet Tuck, the more it makes my case
that Tuck is everything I say he is, and everything Paul says he is NOT.
Paul prevaricates in order to glorify himself and muttley

I have only used "Mr Snappy-Grabby" as a humorous and affectionate
reference to Tuck, based on when I met him and Yorik at the dog show. But I
do recall being surprised by the way one dog took the liver treat from my
hand. It was most certainly Yorik, as his handler/owner then instructed me
to give it to him as if to a horse, with an open palm. (As if I would know
that about horses). Yet, I did just barely feel Tuck's teeth as he took the
treat from me, and that is not how Muttley takes small morsels from me and
others. He barely opens his mouth and carefully takes the item with his
small front teeth, and then backs off to devour it. Yet when I give Muttley
a piece of rawhide, he gets very excited and somewhat lunges for it, but I
have been training him to sit and take it more carefully.

Diddy, you are just being defensive about Tuck, and I have never intimated
that he is anything but a gentleman and a very special animal, and I would
certainly trust him more than Muttley in a situation where there were lots
of unknown animals and other dogs. I have seen him get a bit tense once in
a while, with some pre-aggressive body posture, and I think he tends to act
quickly and without warning.

I had problems with the first video link, but I thought it was because of
my slow dialup. I was able to watch the one on YouTube, where it seems that
the handler is holding the leash short and often tight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmBqn9njo_0

Paul and Muttley

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:41:22 -0400, elegy wrote:
Nick. Do you REALLY believe Paul? REALLLY?

um, i think he was pointing out paul's cluelessness and unreliability of
reading situations. or at least that's how i read it.

That was my point, based on Tuck's accomplishments I am fairly confident
he is as stable as they come and yet Paul thought he wasn't.

Nick

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:33:50 -0500, diddy wrote:

Come to think of it Nick.. Where do you live? If you really think Tuck
is snarky, and you are at all within a reasonable distance, I will bring
him to you to meet him. The more people who meet Tuck, the more it makes
my case that Tuck is everything I say he is, and everything Paul says he
is NOT. Paul prevaricates in order to glorify himself and muttley

No need, I fully believe you over Paul. I wasn't implying that he was
snarky, just that Paul thought he was and so maybe Paul's other thoughts
were just as crazy. Not that I would pass up an opportunity to meet
Tuck, but I'd prefer you not waste your time, besides the fact I am
fairly confident I'm outside a reasonable distance. I'm a loyal Tuck
lover, my favorite pictures are the ones of him using the slide.

Nick

On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:25:31 +0000 (UTC), Nick
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:33:50 -0500, diddy wrote:

Come to think of it Nick.. Where do you live? If you really think Tuck
is snarky, and you are at all within a reasonable distance, I will bring
him to you to meet him. The more people who meet Tuck, the more it makes
my case that Tuck is everything I say he is, and everything Paul says he
is NOT. Paul prevaricates in order to glorify himself and muttley

No need, I fully believe you over Paul. I wasn't implying that he was
snarky, just that Paul thought he was and so maybe Paul's other thoughts
were just as crazy. Not that I would pass up an opportunity to meet
Tuck, but I'd prefer you not waste your time, besides the fact I am
fairly confident I'm outside a reasonable distance. I'm a loyal Tuck
lover, my favorite pictures are the ones of him using the slide.

It's just my opinion, of course, but I think the both of you would be
better served by ignoring Schoen altogether, and not wasting your time
trying to knock down things that no one here believes anyway.

No one here believes anything he says at this point, and Schoen has
essentially become a Jerry Howe who can spell.

No one here thinks Tuck is "snarky" or "grabby," or whatever, despite
Schoen's best efforts to tweak Diddy about it.

No one here believes that Nick believes Schoen over Diddy.

So why waste time on him?

Schoen has become a TROLL.

Surely you both know that, right?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

The Fallacy of 'Green Jobs'.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...reen_jobs.html

The two Americas: One likes kids, the other doesn't.
http://rightcoast.typepad.com/rightc...its-all-a.html

This is what happens when you don't build power plants.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...ritain-warning

Obama and Those Laid-Off Steelworkers.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...JlN2YzOTc4ZmI=

The Culture War's Decisive Battle has Begun.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...ve_batt_1.html

Canada: Faster, please!
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...-of-peace.aspx

The *Real* Google Agenda. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
http://pajamasmedia.com/edgelings/20...google-agenda/

Do you really want this person to be your new First Lady? (Be sure to read her *entire* thesis).
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

With a Smile on Her Face, and Steel in Her Spine.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...NlNWZhZWJlODk=

If this doesn't scare the **** out of you, you might be a fascist.
http://volokh.com/posts/1220243277.shtml

"Nick" wrote in message
...
(snip)

I'm a loyal Tuck
lover, my favorite pictures are the ones of him using the slide.


Mine too.

I love how he stands there in line with all the kids, and the kids just take
it in stride that Tuck is in line for his turn on the slide.

Karla