Suja wrote:
"Kathleen" wrote in message:


That's good. If you kneed or shinned or otherwise physically
disciplined my dogs without my prior consent, that would put your head
in the proper position to receive the appropriate correction - a boot to
the cranium.


I will admit that I have physically corrected someone else's dog. Said dog
(young standard poodle) jumped up and bit my hand, breaking skin and getting
my wrist bone. I grabbed him, sat him down, and had a heart to heart with
him. Then I walked over to the owner and told him that he needs to get
control of his dog; I wasn't going to make a huge deal out of it, but
someone else might.

The dog continues to jump and nip. The only "improvement" I can see is that
the owner tries to call the dog off when he heads in my direction, which he
blows off completely.

A deliberate bite that actually breaks the skin is in an entirely
different category than jumping up on somebody, even if they do happen
to be wearing $100 slacks.

The worst deliberate bite I ever witnessed was a golden, an intact male
with serious aggression issues, who attacked his handler during class
and bit her hand so hard that his fangs went entirely through her palm
and emerged through the back of her hand. He was euthanized.

The worst non-deliberate bite I've ever seen happened at a flyball
tournament. A terv returning to his handler in the runback area leaped
for his tug and caught the handler's wrist instead, tearing open a flap
of skin and muscle that fell forward and covered his hand to the
fingertips. The dog realized instantly what he'd done and crashed to
the ground, groveling. There was no correction. As the handler said,
"He didn't bite me, I cut my hand on his mouth".

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I've broken many a dog from jumping up on me. The owner asks me, "How
come he doesn't jump on you and he jumps on everyone else?"

I dont' tell him that when the dog jumped, I did the appropriate thing
and taught the dog myself, several with just one jump. I just say, "I
guess he doesn't like me." Funny, at the time, I'm usually bent over
petting the tail wagging dog.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think you are saying that you can
break the dog of this behavior by just ignoring it, and rewarding a less
physical sort of greeting.

I read parts of your blog at http://cateaters.blogspot.com:80/, and some of
what you have to say is interesting. I've had quite an adventure with my
dog Muttley, rescuing him from euthanasia on three occasions, and learning
a lot about the strong bond that can form between man and "beast". I see
that your blog is titled "cateaters", and I'm fairly sure that Muttley
might have at least tried to eat my cat if he ever caught her, although I
was making some progress in socializing them until she sadly was hit by a
car and killed on the road in front of my house a couple years ago. Instead
of a blog, I put a story of the saga of me and Muttley on my website:
www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley/MuttleyStory.htm. You can also see many
pictures of him in the Muttley directory.

He is still quite a handful, and sometimes hard to control, but he is a
sweet fellow and I have been able to train him enough to have decent
manners with people and other dogs. He used to jump up on me and other
people, but he has calmed down considerably. Yet he will still jump up on
my friend who originally rescued him. I think this is because she
encourages it and makes him excited. But eventually he settles down and
will sit or lie down nicely while I enjoy a meal or do whatever else I may
want to do. Sometimes he begs for a few morsels, or scratches my leg with a
paw to let me know he needs to go out or to alert me of something, but he
has become a wondeful pet and loyal companion.

Don't let the PW (JH) get you riled up. He will not acknowledge any other
method of training other than his own "methods", and they did not seem to
work as expected on my dog, so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience, while in reality he just
likes to pull when he wants to move faster than I do.

Good luck with the storms down there in FL. Do you have any photos of your
Dal/Lab mix?

Paul and Muttley

In article ,
SteveB wrote:
I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the chest at the
moment he jumps up on me.

Appropriate choice of verb!

Usually, it just startles the dog, and causes him
to bounce back a bit. At the same time, I say a sharp "NO". I will admit
that at times, I have thrown a dog right over on a 3/4 flip with them
landing on their backs.

You seem like a highly skilled dog trainer, too!

Sorry I was ambiguous about it, but I know some do not agree with this
technique. To those people, all I can say is that Skippy ain't about to paw
my $100 slacks, thank you very much.

Awesome priorities!
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
...

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote in message
...
I've broken many a dog from jumping up on me. The owner asks me, "How
come he doesn't jump on you and he jumps on everyone else?"

I dont' tell him that when the dog jumped, I did the appropriate thing
and taught the dog myself, several with just one jump. I just say, "I
guess he doesn't like me." Funny, at the time, I'm usually bent over
petting the tail wagging dog.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I think you are saying that you
can break the dog of this behavior by just ignoring it, and rewarding a
less physical sort of greeting.

I read parts of your blog at http://cateaters.blogspot.com:80/, and some
of what you have to say is interesting. I've had quite an adventure with
my dog Muttley, rescuing him from euthanasia on three occasions, and
learning a lot about the strong bond that can form between man and
"beast". I see that your blog is titled "cateaters", and I'm fairly sure
that Muttley might have at least tried to eat my cat if he ever caught
her, although I was making some progress in socializing them until she
sadly was hit by a car and killed on the road in front of my house a
couple years ago. Instead of a blog, I put a story of the saga of me and
Muttley on my website: www.smart.net/~pstech/Muttley/MuttleyStory.htm. You
can also see many pictures of him in the Muttley directory.

He is still quite a handful, and sometimes hard to control, but he is a
sweet fellow and I have been able to train him enough to have decent
manners with people and other dogs. He used to jump up on me and other
people, but he has calmed down considerably. Yet he will still jump up on
my friend who originally rescued him. I think this is because she
encourages it and makes him excited. But eventually he settles down and
will sit or lie down nicely while I enjoy a meal or do whatever else I may
want to do. Sometimes he begs for a few morsels, or scratches my leg with
a paw to let me know he needs to go out or to alert me of something, but
he has become a wondeful pet and loyal companion.

Don't let the PW (JH) get you riled up. He will not acknowledge any other
method of training other than his own "methods", and they did not seem to
work as expected on my dog, so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience, while in reality he
just likes to pull when he wants to move faster than I do.

Good luck with the storms down there in FL. Do you have any photos of your
Dal/Lab mix?

Paul and Muttley

I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the chest at the
moment he jumps up on me. Usually, it just startles the dog, and causes him
to bounce back a bit. At the same time, I say a sharp "NO". I will admit
that at times, I have thrown a dog right over on a 3/4 flip with them
landing on their backs. These are the dogs that it usually only takes once
to break. I immediately bend at the knees and squat down and praise and pet
the dog, teaching them that I will bend down to pet them, and they don't
have to jump up to get petted. After that, when I see them, I greet them
that way, and they will stay down until you pet them. Most dogs go away
after that, the doggie equivalent of scratch and sniff greeting.

Sorry I was ambiguous about it, but I know some do not agree with this
technique. To those people, all I can say is that Skippy ain't about to paw
my $100 slacks, thank you very much.

I have a pound rescue Rott/Lab that is the biggest pussycat in the world.
She must have been a guard dog or guide dog in another life because she is
totally trained, and won't even eat unless given permission. I believe she
could and would do some damage if danger actually occurred. We've lessened
her rigidity, but she still sticks to her training at times. She has never
once jumped up on me. Now, if I could only break her of the doggy handshake
........... (nose to crotch and then the swift lifting of the nose). My
corgi is as hardheaded as any corgi, but he doesn't jump up either.

Steve

"SteveB" toquerville@zionvistas wrote :
I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the chest at
the moment he jumps up on me.

Do that to my dog and you might be looking for your genitals in a high
asynchronous orbit. (FWIW, you won't find 'em.)

For that matter, take it upon yourself to correct my dog without my prior
approval, and it's highly likely that you won't live long enough to regret
it. My dogs are gentle, sweet, harmless critters. I am not.

Sorry I was ambiguous about it, but I know some do not agree with this
technique. To those people, all I can say is that Skippy ain't about
to paw my $100 slacks, thank you very much.

Cluelessly helpful folk like you are why I've learned to be a mite
protective of my dogs' welfare.

--
Mary H. and the restored Ames National Zoo:
The Right Reverand Sir Edgar "Lucky" Pan-Waffles;
U-CD ANZ Babylon Ranger, CD, RA; ANZ Pas de Duke; and rotund Rhia

SteveB wrote:

I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the chest at the
moment he jumps up on me.

Eeesh. How.... 1950s.

Dianne

SteveB wrote:


I break a dog by timing a knee to the chest or a shin to the chest at the
moment he jumps up on me. Usually, it just startles the dog, and causes him
to bounce back a bit. At the same time, I say a sharp "NO". I will admit
that at times, I have thrown a dog right over on a 3/4 flip with them
landing on their backs. These are the dogs that it usually only takes once
to break. I immediately bend at the knees and squat down

That's good. If you kneed or shinned or otherwise physically
disciplined my dogs without my prior consent, that would put your head
in the proper position to receive the appropriate correction - a boot to
the cranium.

The entire matter, however, is merely academic. My dogs are properly
trained and I keep them well out of the way of clueless asswipes.

In article ,
Kathleen wrote:
The entire matter, however, is merely academic. My dogs are properly
trained and I keep them well out of the way of clueless asswipes.

I would venture that very few people here have dogs who jump
up on people, and would further venture that of the people
with dogs who don't, a tiny minority (if any) kicked or
threw their dogs around to train them.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Kathleen" wrote in message:

That's good. If you kneed or shinned or otherwise physically
disciplined my dogs without my prior consent, that would put your head
in the proper position to receive the appropriate correction - a boot to
the cranium.

I will admit that I have physically corrected someone else's dog. Said dog
(young standard poodle) jumped up and bit my hand, breaking skin and getting
my wrist bone. I grabbed him, sat him down, and had a heart to heart with
him. Then I walked over to the owner and told him that he needs to get
control of his dog; I wasn't going to make a huge deal out of it, but
someone else might.

The dog continues to jump and nip. The only "improvement" I can see is that
the owner tries to call the dog off when he heads in my direction, which he
blows off completely.

Suja

In article ,
(Melinda Shore) wrote:


I would venture that very few people here have dogs who jump
up on people,

My dogs will, depending on the actions of the people. Hand flailers
will get jumped on. You know, the ones who come in and say "don't jump,
don't jump", all the while flapping their hands and acting panicked? Or
the ones who go "hey dogs - yay, yippeaiyay" and get them wound up? Yup
- my youngsters are very easily influenced. I admit it freely. I don't
give them enough practice with idjits.

Walk in and ignore them or bend down and actually pet them (not a flick
of a pat and then flail) and they'll stay on all fours. Oh yeah -
they ALL (even Lucy) jump on DH EVERY day. Why? They get rewarded.
After ineffective "off, off, off, off" and then he walks into the next
room and gives them each a treat. Sobeit. They don't do it to me.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com