"FurPaw" wrote in message
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tiny dancer wrote:
The weather was still hot last week, when this happened, so he was laying
there naked on top of the covers. I gave his balls a yank to make sure he
REMEMBERED. ;-)

Uh, td? As far as I'm concerned, this is _waaaay_ TMI.

FurPaw


Oh c'mon, it was meant to be funny. I mean, yeah, it happpened, but it was
one of those things we had to laugh about upon reflection. I've heard way
worse when someone is quitting smoking. That was my late night really
desperation NEED for a smoke time. And he just looked way too comfortable
while I was in such dire withdrawal. ;-) He was way crabbier than me when
he quit smoking.

td

"Suja" wrote in message
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"tiny dancer" wrote in message:

http://www.petmountain.com/product/c...odie-bone.html

This is what he *fills* with the dog biscuits, when ever Merlin brings it
to
him to be filled.

How 'bout if he fills the bone with kibble and then maybe wedge the holes
with the treats? Would that be an acceptable compromise? You'll each get
your way a little bit. Or maybe you can agree that he can fill a smaller
goodie bone instead. Or, you figure out just exactly how many calories
are
in one of those filled bones, and he can feed it as long as he walks it
off
with the dog as well.

Suja


All good suggestions. Some I've made, others I hadn't thought of but will
attempt to do. He never walks the dogs, always says 'he's too tired after
work'. I might try to get him to walk with me tonight with them. I
suggested that he put only *One* treat in a bone, rather than filling each
opening. He does the same thing with peanut butter. On the rare occasion
when I give them some peanut butter, I will stick one small spoonful in one
end of a bone. I've watched him do it and he sticks probably close to two
tablespoons in each end of a bone. I about had a heart attack when I saw
him loading up those bones.


td

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 14:42:28 -0400, "tiny dancer"
wrote:

Yep, it's so easy to sneak up on you that constant vigilance is
necessary.

How about I ship you my hubby for an intense training session? You have
my
permission to kennel him until he shapes up.

You bet. I just happen to have an opening, but it's an outdoor
kennel. Does he have his winter coat yet?


Nope, but he's fairly warm natured. And a little shivering wouldn't hurt
him. ;-) I suggest you hold back on his treats a bit though. LOL
He's one of those 'way to a man's heart is through his stomach' kind of
guys. ;-




If the "treats" are suitably nutritious, you should be able to allow
for those 5 treats when you calculate his remaining daily feed ration.

See the reply I made to montana. I've told him, "the treats you give
him add up to more calories than his food!'

That can't really be possible. Can it?


Probably not, but I use what ever I can when I'm trying to make him
understand the importance of not over indulging the dogs with treats.
So far he hasn't actually checked the calorie content, so I can still
*use* it.




And "the treats don't contain
the balanced nutrients, vitamins, minerals, essentials for his diet, yadda
yadda yadda.............."

You can't even get him to agree to feed only nutritious treats?


Nope, he wants to give them 'people food' all the time. I have to
watch him like a hawk.
He considers it being *good* to them to give them treats. I only buy
vanilla oreos so just in case they get some, they at least won't be the
chocolate variety. He knows they aren't supposed to have chocoate, he just
isn't as vigilant as I am.



He listened to her heart and lungs and said 'both were still
really strong.' The specialist she saw last year, about her
leg/limp/etc.,
said she had a large lung tumor on the x-rays. But our vet said 'she has
a
strong heart and lungs'. So he doesn't see any signs of decline in her.
The specialist gave us the impression that she had only 'months' to live
last year. Our vet said 'she's doing well as far as he can tell.' Other
than her limp, she's strong and healthy still.

This would concern me. The specialist took pictures, your vet didn't.



That's true, but we wouldn't really *do* anything diffferently regardless.
I mean, robin talked to me after the vet visit about what he'd said about
Whiskey. She still gives her heartworm pills, has the yearly tests done,
keeps up with all of her things. The only thing she's decided to forgo is
teeth cleanings. Whiskey is 12 yrs. old, has the tumor in her lungs, so she
doesn't want to put her through anesthesia. I concurred, as did our vet.
I'd be more concerned if the opinions were opposite. If the specialist was
saying she had a long life and our vet was saying 'no'. The specialist said
'he wouldn't do any sort of leg surgery or amputation because of the lung
tumor.' He said 'large mass in her lung'. Our vet is just saying, when he
listens to her heart and lungs, both *sound* strong and healthy. He did say
Pinga has a very slight murmur. Something she could out-grow.

When Murphy had the melanoma diagnosis, the specialists at N.C. State Univ.
Vet School said without treatment she had 3 to 6 months and with treatment
she might live 8 months. We thought at the time, 'big frickin' deal',
*maybe* two whole months more, most of which would be spent at the vet
school, undergoing *treatment*. It was a no brainer for us to decide no
treatment. And as it was, she lived a year and three months without any
treatment other than being extra kind and generous with her, and in the end,
treating her for pain.

We, me and Robin, felt good that the vet didn't hear anything particularly
wrong with her heart and lungs. Cause we had been thinking the end could
come at any time. Some days she's a bit slow, but other days she will still
on occasion zoom around the back yard. The specialist also told Robin that
Whiskey shouldn't have any sort of exercise or activity to prolong her life.
But robin chose to allow her to live her life as she had been. It's about
10 months now since Whiskey saw the specialist, and she's apparently doing
okay. We truly didn't think we had this long with her. And she's getting
properly loved, spoiled, and still having a quality of life. That's good,
no?



Maybe a small glass of wine would help?

And it's good for you, too.

Thanks Jack, I think I just might give that a try.

Have your husband drink one, too, and then you can "talk" to him about
giving the dogs healthier treats, say, while you're wearing your
latest purchase from Victoria's Secret.

Trust me, that will *always* work better than yanking on his balls.

shudder


Okay, I didn't really *yank*, it was more of a little pinch/twist. You
know, for emphasis. One night I had a dream he and his secretary were
whispering in each others ears and laughing at me. I woke up so upset, and
saw him laying there, sleeping peacefully, with a half grin on his face, so
I punched him in the arm, and went back to sleep. The next morning, as we
were sitting at the kitchen table, having coffee, he rubbed his arm and said
"I must have slept funny on this arm, it aches this morning." *That* was
when I remembered my dream and the 'arm punching' incident. I choked on my
coffee, burst out laughing, and then told him about my dream, and how "If
he and his secretary hadn't been whispering, none of this would have
happened in the first place!" Of course he agreed 'it was all his fault.'
;-)


td

"tiny dancer" wrote in message
. ..
Happy to report our vet told me Merlin could stand to lose about 5 pounds.
( So much discussion about vets not noticing or discussing over-weight
dogs ). Merlin gained five pounds since his last check-up last year. Now
I've got to *bitch-slap* dh into knocking it off with the treats already.

Cry. Get pissy. Make him think he's killing your dog. Tell him the vet
said so. Tell him Merlin tested positive for "treat allergy". Tell him
you'll give Merlin away before you let him make Merlin any fatter. Tell him
you're discussing his silly behaviour with strangers on the internet and
they want to know why he's incapable of following a simple rule.

Seriously, I don't know anything about your relationship with your husband,
but can you just get firm? Say "NO MORE TREATS, UNLESS I SAY SO." My
husband adores Kiba, but he is MY dog, and if I say something about his
care, I'm obeyed, no arguements. Although I would never arbitrarily demand
anything of him, and would always explain why I wanted something to be done,
or not done. He is my husband after all, not my child. Hmmm... maybe take
that tact: "You are an adult, why can't you follow a simple rule that will
extend the life of our dog?"

And, going on 17 days without a smoke. I keep myself busy during the
daytime. Late night is the hardest for me. My 'winding down' couple of
smokes. Still miss them like hell. (

Congratulations, and keep up the good work! I'm over 11 years clean now,
and I'm still grateful every day that I quit. I can't tell you how
wonderful it is to be a non-smoker. It took a long time (hang in there!)
but I haven't had a craving for I don't know how many years, and am the
worst ex-smoker alive. You know the sort that constantly tells her kids to
stop smoking, even after they are so disgusted with her harping they don't
even hear her anymore.

One thing I did find helpful this (last) time quitting was to give myself
permission to want to smoke. It's OK if you want to, it's perfectly normal.
Just don't smoke for those few minutes of craving. It passes. Really. And
it's so worthwhile.
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/...758930/detail/

"Phyrie" wrote in message
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"tiny dancer" wrote in message
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Happy to report our vet told me Merlin could stand to lose about 5
pounds. ( So much discussion about vets not noticing or discussing
over-weight dogs ). Merlin gained five pounds since his last check-up
last year. Now I've got to *bitch-slap* dh into knocking it off with the
treats already.

Cry.

Been there.

Get pissy.


Done that.

Make him think he's killing your dog.

Done that too.

. Tell him the vet
said so.


Yup. That too.


Tell him Merlin tested positive for "treat allergy".


Good one! I never thought of that. Might work. I'll give it some thought.
Dh is quite intelligent, so I'd have to approach it carefully.


Tell him
you'll give Merlin away before you let him make Merlin any fatter.


I don't think he'd buy that one. Plus, he'd just sneak him treats.


Tell him
you're discussing his silly behaviour with strangers on the internet and
they want to know why he's incapable of following a simple rule.


He wouldn't care about that. He know's I have lots of *strange* friends
online. ;-)) He's even talked to a few on the phone.



Seriously, I don't know anything about your relationship with your
husband, but can you just get firm? Say "NO MORE TREATS, UNLESS I SAY
SO."


My husband considers Merlin to be 'his' dog. Yes, I found him on
craigslist, ( merlin, not hubby ;-] ), but since we've always had females
before, dh has grown to consider Merlin, *his* boy now. I still *do*
everthing for/with the dogs, brush them, clean ears, clip nails, walk them,
keep up with their vet stuff, etc.


My
husband adores Kiba, but he is MY dog, and if I say something about his
care, I'm obeyed, no arguements. Although I would never arbitrarily
demand anything of him, and would always explain why I wanted something to
be done, or not done. He is my husband after all, not my child. Hmmm...
maybe take that tact: "You are an adult, why can't you follow a simple
rule that will extend the life of our dog?"


I've continually told him, 'it's not good for the dogs, they don't digest
human food the same way we do,' just everything I can think of, and he
might do it for a day or two, but then he's right back to same old, same
old. He was the same way with the kids, I was the disciplinarian and he was
the big push over. He thinks it's just adorable when Merlin brings him a
treatball to *fill*.'



And, going on 17 days without a smoke. I keep myself busy during the
daytime. Late night is the hardest for me. My 'winding down' couple of
smokes. Still miss them like hell. (

Congratulations, and keep up the good work! I'm over 11 years clean now,
and I'm still grateful every day that I quit. I can't tell you how
wonderful it is to be a non-smoker. It took a long time (hang in there!)
but I haven't had a craving for I don't know how many years, and am the
worst ex-smoker alive. You know the sort that constantly tells her kids
to stop smoking, even after they are so disgusted with her harping they
don't even hear her anymore.

One thing I did find helpful this (last) time quitting was to give myself
permission to want to smoke. It's OK if you want to, it's perfectly
normal. Just don't smoke for those few minutes of craving. It passes.
Really. And it's so worthwhile.


Thanks for the words of encouragement. They all help, especially hearing
about successful ex-smokers.

td

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 18:31:21 -0400, "tiny dancer"
wrote:

You bet. I just happen to have an opening, but it's an outdoor
kennel. Does he have his winter coat yet?

Nope, but he's fairly warm natured. And a little shivering wouldn't hurt
him. ;-) I suggest you hold back on his treats a bit though. LOL
He's one of those 'way to a man's heart is through his stomach' kind of
guys. ;-

He'll get what all the other dogs get, and like it.

See the reply I made to montana. I've told him, "the treats you give
him add up to more calories than his food!'

That can't really be possible. Can it?

Probably not, but I use what ever I can when I'm trying to make him
understand the importance of not over indulging the dogs with treats.
So far he hasn't actually checked the calorie content, so I can still
*use* it.

Is your husband's name Paul, by any chance?

Like in Paul Schoen?

And "the treats don't contain
the balanced nutrients, vitamins, minerals, essentials for his diet, yadda
yadda yadda.............."

You can't even get him to agree to feed only nutritious treats?

Nope, he wants to give them 'people food' all the time.

Well, that settles it then. Why didn't you just say that Paul Schoen
was your husband?

sigh

So he doesn't see any signs of decline in her.
The specialist gave us the impression that she had only 'months' to live
last year. Our vet said 'she's doing well as far as he can tell.' Other
than her limp, she's strong and healthy still.

This would concern me. The specialist took pictures, your vet didn't.

That's true, but we wouldn't really *do* anything diffferently regardless.
I mean, robin talked to me after the vet visit about what he'd said about
Whiskey.
[...]

Oops, I forgot all about that.

Sorry!

Have your husband drink one, too, and then you can "talk" to him about
giving the dogs healthier treats, say, while you're wearing your
latest purchase from Victoria's Secret.

Trust me, that will *always* work better than yanking on his balls.

shudder

Okay, I didn't really *yank*, it was more of a little pinch/twist.

Stop! Stop! Please stop!

No more talk of male genitalia torture!

shudder

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Change, my ass.
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Words Obama Will Regret.
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"Community organizers" explained. Read it now or weep later.
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The Fallacy of "Green Jobs".
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Desperate Democratic attacks on Palin very revealing.
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The best man turned out to be a woman.
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Obama's Beautifully Packaged Lie.
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The Perfect Stranger.
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Obama's Lost Annenberg Years Coming to Light.
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Obama's friends, Billy and Bernie. spit
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Censoring skepticism.
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"tiny dancer" wrote in message
.. .

*snip of evidence of tiny's husband's idiocy*

I've continually told him, 'it's not good for the dogs, they don't digest
human food the same way we do,' just everything I can think of, and he
might do it for a day or two, but then he's right back to same old, same
old. He was the same way with the kids, I was the disciplinarian and he
was the big push over. He thinks it's just adorable when Merlin brings
him a treatball to *fill*.'

tiny, I apologize in advance for commenting about things I have no personal
knowledge of:

But...your husband sounds like an idiot. Maybe mentally ill, I don't know.
If what you say is true, it may be that he needs counselling to deal with
his issues of destructive control. He may need to talk to a professional
about why he is trying to kill something he professes to love. I know a
woman who thinks food equals love. She had a one hundred pound six year
old. It's frightening to watch her set her son up for lifetime of obesity
and disease because she uses food as a reward and substitute for affection.
She needs help, and so does your husband, if he really thinks the way you've
led us to believe. I would be very tempted to call a psychologist or
couples counsellor and schedule an appointment to help your husband find out
why he's willing to risk your dog's life in such a reckless way. This is
really a control issue, and he needs to find a different way to assert
himself without using food as a weapon. He's acting in an irrational
manner, and while I have no idea what he does for a living or what he's
really like, and how it affects people around him, it's harmful to your dog
and can't be good for your marriage, either.

If this was happening in my house, I would forbid my husband from feeding
Kiba. Ah, who am I kidding? This wouldn't happen in my house. My husband
respects me enough to trust my judgement, and is willing to listen to
reason. I can't imagine him ever sabotaging Kiba's healthy regime because
he thought it would make Kiba love him more. Kiba adores him, "lurves" him
to death, but it's not because he gives him treats. Kiba knows he's adored,
and returns the favour. He simply loves him that much back.

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but you really do seem to be asking for a
bit of help, so that's what I can come up, without knowing anything about
you except what you've told us here. I think you need more help than you're
gonna get from "a bunch of strangers on the internet".

I wish you the best of luck,
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/...758930/detail/

"Phyrie" wrote in
:

This is really a control issue, and he needs to find a different
way to assert himself without using food as a weapon.

If his wife goes around doing things like literally yanking on his
balls, then is it any wonder that he might need to resort to passive
aggressive measures to exert some, um, tiny amount of control?

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

In article ,
Shelly wrote:
If his wife goes around doing things like literally yanking on his
balls, then is it any wonder that he might need to resort to passive
aggressive measures to exert some, um, tiny amount of control?

I've wondered if the reason that tiny is such an incoherent
logorrheic babbler is because she's simply unused to
structuring her words and thoughts and if that's because
she's got nobody to talk with in meatspace. Or maybe I've
got my causality backward. Also, I gather than "DH" is very
much in control of their lives and tiny is not.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

(Melinda Shore) wrote in news:gb2qhu$ivt$1
@panix2.panix.com:

she's got nobody to talk with in meatspace. Or maybe I've got my
causality backward.

It could so easily go either way, couldn't it?

Also, I gather than "DH" is very much in control of their lives
and tiny is not.

Though she seems to think she might be. One of the doms I know
insists that the sub is the one who's really in control. Logic and
observation make me think that's probably true.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)