I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

It is simply to give the dog a bit of comfort in his old age.Before
Wobenzym N I gave the dog Metacam 3 times over a few days to relieve
pain he was in and it had a good effect.

I want to know if I should use it on a more regular basis.

ps, the dog's appetite is very good, he is slightly overweight but has
no immediate health issues.

Thanks!

At some point you have to weigh the good it can do verses the possibility
that the dog may have problems with it. For every dog out there that has
had problems there are 100's that the medication has been a life saver and
made their lives pain free.

Out of all the meds out there for arthritis medcam seems to be the one with
the least amount of problems. Personally if it were me I would not hesitate
to give it to him but I would use it daily. You also need to have proper
follow up blood work at the vets office to be sure it's not affecting the
liver or kidneys. I get labs done 2 weeks after starting, at the 3 month
mark and every 6 months after that.

These meds are not only a pain relief but inflamation to, by yoyoing the
dose you are not giving adequate inflamation relief and sabotaging the whole
effect of the drug. You also need to learn what signs to look for if
problems do arrise.

I've had two dogs that have taken Rimadyl and Deramaxx and neither of them
have had any problems. Barney took it from the age of 5 to 12 for severe
arthritis and did wonderfully on them. Buddy blew his knee out and even
after fixing it has bad arthritis and neurological issues in that hip. He's
been on Rimadyl for the last 2 years. Without it he is miserable, he'll
bite and snap at everyone because he's pain and he can't get around. I was
hesitant to put him on it just as everyone is but he's done well on it and I
keep an eye on him and watch for signs of problems so I can catch them early
on.

Celeste



"Father Yod & YHW 13" wrote in message
...
I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

It is simply to give the dog a bit of comfort in his old age.Before
Wobenzym N I gave the dog Metacam 3 times over a few days to relieve
pain he was in and it had a good effect.

I want to know if I should use it on a more regular basis.

ps, the dog's appetite is very good, he is slightly overweight but has
no immediate health issues.

Thanks!

On 9 Oct, 00:06, "Pete" wrote:
"Spot" wrote in message

...



At some point you have to weigh the good it can do verses the possibility
that the dog may have problems with it. *For every dog out there that has
had problems there are 100's that the medication has been a life saver and
made their lives pain free.

Out of all the meds out there for arthritis medcam seems to be the one
with the least amount of problems. *Personally if it were me I would not
hesitate to give it to him but I would use it daily. *You also need to
have proper follow up blood work at the vets office to be sure it's not
affecting the liver or kidneys. *I get labs done 2 weeks after starting,
at the 3 month mark and every 6 months after that.

These meds are not only a pain relief but inflamation to, by yoyoing the
dose you are not giving adequate inflamation relief and sabotaging the
whole effect of the drug. *You also need to learn what signs to look for
if problems do arrise.

I've had two dogs that have taken Rimadyl and Deramaxx and neither of them
have had any problems. *Barney took it from the age of 5 to 12 for severe
arthritis and did wonderfully on them. *Buddy blew his knee out and even
after fixing it has bad arthritis and neurological issues in that hip.
He's been on Rimadyl for the last 2 years. *Without it he is miserable,
he'll bite and snap at everyone because he's pain and he can't get around.
I was hesitant to put him on it just as everyone is but he's done well on
it and I keep an eye on him and watch for signs of problems so I can catch
them early on.

Celeste

"Father Yod & YHW 13" wrote in message
....
I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

It is simply to give the dog a bit of comfort in his old age.Before
Wobenzym N I gave the dog Metacam 3 times over a few days to relieve
pain he was in and it had a good effect.

I want to know if I should use it on a more regular basis.

ps, the dog's appetite is very good, he is slightly overweight but has
no immediate health issues.

Thanks!

I know that IBuprohen is very bad for dogs, but how about simple aspirin
once per day?

Hi Pete, Wobenzym is actually an asprin mimic but without the side
effects of asprin.
It has been a great help to the dog and some arthritis side effects
have gone almost
(like when he would poo he would stay in the squatting position even
though he had
finished.) So in a way he is on aspirin even though it is digestive
enzymes he is
taking.I think at his age he needs a bit more.
Cheers!

On 8 Oct, 11:59, "Spot" wrote:
At some point you have to weigh the good it can do verses the possibility
that the dog may have problems with it. *For every dog out there that has
had problems there are 100's that the medication has been a life saver and
made their lives pain free.

Out of all the meds out there for arthritis medcam seems to be the one with
the least amount of problems. *Personally if it were me I would not hesitate
to give it to him but I would use it daily. *You also need to have proper
follow up blood work at the vets office to be sure it's not affecting the
liver or kidneys. *I get labs done 2 weeks after starting, at the 3 month
mark and every 6 months after that.

These meds are not only a pain relief but inflamation to, by yoyoing the
dose you are not giving adequate inflamation relief and sabotaging the whole
effect of the drug. *You also need to learn what signs to look for if
problems do arrise.

I've had two dogs that have taken Rimadyl and Deramaxx and neither of them
have had any problems. *Barney took it from the age of 5 to 12 for severe
arthritis and did wonderfully on them. *Buddy blew his knee out and even
after fixing it has bad arthritis and neurological issues in that hip. *He's
been on Rimadyl for the last 2 years. *Without it he is miserable, he'll
bite and snap at everyone because he's pain and he can't get around. *I was
hesitant to put him on it just as everyone is but he's done well on it and I
keep an eye on him and watch for signs of problems so I can catch them early
on.

Celeste

Thanks Celeste,
I did not think about that - giving the dog metacam for 5 days on and
off.
He has been on it a bit before and there were no side effects.He does
have
a "gastric condition" which may be an intolerence to protien.He tends
to have
loose stools but I will monitor it.I started him yesterday and will
continue daily.

I will do what you suggest and get blood test done.He had some a few
years
ago and he was good.

Its nice to see your dogs are doing well, the few times I had Jake on
the metacam
he was livlier and enjoyed his walks more.

Thanks again!

"Spot" wrote in message
...
At some point you have to weigh the good it can do verses the possibility
that the dog may have problems with it. For every dog out there that has
had problems there are 100's that the medication has been a life saver and
made their lives pain free.

Out of all the meds out there for arthritis medcam seems to be the one
with the least amount of problems. Personally if it were me I would not
hesitate to give it to him but I would use it daily. You also need to
have proper follow up blood work at the vets office to be sure it's not
affecting the liver or kidneys. I get labs done 2 weeks after starting,
at the 3 month mark and every 6 months after that.

These meds are not only a pain relief but inflamation to, by yoyoing the
dose you are not giving adequate inflamation relief and sabotaging the
whole effect of the drug. You also need to learn what signs to look for
if problems do arrise.

I've had two dogs that have taken Rimadyl and Deramaxx and neither of them
have had any problems. Barney took it from the age of 5 to 12 for severe
arthritis and did wonderfully on them. Buddy blew his knee out and even
after fixing it has bad arthritis and neurological issues in that hip.
He's been on Rimadyl for the last 2 years. Without it he is miserable,
he'll bite and snap at everyone because he's pain and he can't get around.
I was hesitant to put him on it just as everyone is but he's done well on
it and I keep an eye on him and watch for signs of problems so I can catch
them early on.

Celeste



"Father Yod & YHW 13" wrote in message
...
I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

It is simply to give the dog a bit of comfort in his old age.Before
Wobenzym N I gave the dog Metacam 3 times over a few days to relieve
pain he was in and it had a good effect.

I want to know if I should use it on a more regular basis.

ps, the dog's appetite is very good, he is slightly overweight but has
no immediate health issues.

Thanks!

I know that IBuprohen is very bad for dogs, but how about simple aspirin
once per day?

I wanted to echo some of what others have said already. I don't know much
about 'Wobenzym N', so can't comment on it or possible interactions.

My own dog is on Meloxicam (same drug, different format) every other day,
and it does him a lot of good. I probably wouldn't stretch it to 5 days on
and 5 days off though. The half life of meloxicam (how long it take for the
levels to 'decay' to half the initial value) is roughly 24 hours
(http://dmd.aspetjournals.org/cgi/con...l/26/6/576/T4). This means
that after 5 days, the amount he has in his system has halved 5 times, which
means he has a little over 3% of the maximum amount in his system. If he's
really sore, I'm not sure you'd want to do this to him.

Definitely insist on some routine blood work before you go on it too. That
way you have a baseline for his liver, and particularly kidney function, so
if something starts to go wrong, you know in advance what is normal for him
at this stage in his life.

Dale

"Father Yod & YHW 13" wrote in message
...
I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

It is simply to give the dog a bit of comfort in his old age.Before
Wobenzym N I gave the dog Metacam 3 times over a few days to relieve
pain he was in and it had a good effect.

I want to know if I should use it on a more regular basis.

ps, the dog's appetite is very good, he is slightly overweight but has
no immediate health issues.

Thanks!

I know that IBuprohen is very bad for dogs, but how about simple aspirin
once per day?

Aspirin long term, *can* be hard on the GI tract for dogs (not always, but
it can be). I'd still want some blood work done before giving my dog aspirin
as it too can be hard on the kidneys (as can any NSAIDs).


Hi Pete, Wobenzym is actually an asprin mimic but without the side
effects of asprin.

I just googled Wobenzym. I'm not sure from what I can find that I'd call it
an 'aspirin mimic'. I'd class it more with the 'nutriceuticles', like
glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM etc.

Wobenzym is a combination of various enzymes from plants. What these enzymes
do, is to break down proteins. I have some doubt, that these enzymes can be
active beyond the GI tract. I'm not saying that the product isn't good for
him, I'm just a little skeptical of its claims. Enzymes have a tendency to
'break' in strong acids (like what you'd see in your stomach), and the
inactive pieces of those enzymes are then absorbed in to the digestive
system (in fact this is one of the primary functions of digestion, to break
down big molecules, like proteins/enzymes in to small things that can be
safely absorbed). I'm not saying that it can't work, or that it doesn't
work, but that perhaps when it does work, the mode of action might not be
what they say it is.

I'm also a little concerned over a few things on their website
(http://www.wobenzym-usa.com/). Particularly "This product is not intended
to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. ", and that under the
'science' section what they have seems to be anything but science (just more
promotional literature).


Dale

Father Yod & YHW 13 wrote:
I have a 14 year old Wicklow Collie that has slowed down a lot and has
arthritis and back leg problems.

I have him on 10mls of glucosamine (Arthri Aid) a day and (thanks to a
previous poster on this group - and thanks a lot) Wobenzym N, one
tablet at night, human dosage and every 3 days he gets an Ashwaghanda
tablet.The Wobenzym N has done him a lot of good and three neighbours
seperately have said he is much better than a year ago.

Now, because the dog doesn't have long and because he started getting
old when he was 9 I am wondering about giving him Metacam say 5 days
on and 5 days off.I have read online that long term Metacam can be bad
stuff but because the dog has maybe a year or two I wonder what your
views are?

I can't answer your questions about Wobenzym or Ashwaghanda or Metacam, but
I can tell you that Adequan injections made a huge difference in mobility
for two of my dogs (A GSD and a Chihuahua) that had severe arthritis.
Google on Adequan for more information. Personally, I'm hoping it's
approved for humans before my arthritis gets any worse!

We had the vet give the injections about every 4 weeks; IIRC, it cost about
$32/injection/visit. You can also obtain it from the vet and give the
injections yourself, for a lot less cost. (I was thinking about doing that
when our GSD died; I was unwilling to try with our Chihuahua because her
muscles were so tiny.)

Hope this helps -

FurPaw

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That's easy - he was never trained correctly to remember it, so he can't.

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