Are fleas developing resistance? Three 8-lb. dogs -- each is covered
with fleas. They are getting them from the doggie park.

Anybody else having this experience? That damn stuff is too expensive
to waste money on.

"jl" wrote in message
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Are fleas developing resistance? Three 8-lb. dogs -- each is covered
with fleas. They are getting them from the doggie park.

Anybody else having this experience? That damn stuff is too expensive
to waste money on.

I've found Frontline to be useless for flea control where I live. I
assume, because the fleas are resistant to it. But, it can also be a
matter of improper application. Are you bathing the dogs before
applying Frontline? The coat needs time to redevelop it's normal level
of oil, so I'd wait 7-10 days after a bath to put any sort of top spot
flea treatment on the dog. And, even though Frontline is water
resistant, I'd wait a week or so after applying before bathing, just to
make sure it had a chance to distribute properly.

You can also ask your vet about alternatives, since the product is not
working for you.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Shelly" wrote in message
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Are you bathing the dogs before
applying Frontline? The coat needs time to redevelop it's normal level of
oil, so I'd wait 7-10 days after a bath to put any sort of top spot flea
treatment on the dog. And, even though Frontline is water resistant, I'd
wait a week or so after applying before bathing, just to make sure it had
a chance to distribute properly.

.....

Really, Shelley? I'm using Advantage, and I bathe Kiba either the day of,
or the day before I apply it, to avoid washing it off. Kiba does have some
itching issues that we treated with steroids last month. His itchy cycle
seems to be broken, and now that the colder weather is getting here, I hope
whatever he is allergic to is gone for the winter. But your statement has
me wondering if I'm not contributing to Kiba's itchiness. I'll ask the vet,
but in the meantime, do you have a basis for your statement? Other than
it's common-senseness, of course! :-D

I have noticed this late summer and early fall, the fleas are HORRIBLE, and
Kiba seems to need a re-application of Advantage about every three weeks
instead of four. My vet says that's OK, and he concurs that this year's
flea infestation is really, really bad. At least, it sure is up here on the
West Coast. He said 5 out of 6 dogs he sees in clinic are there for fleas.
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/...758930/detail/

"Phyrie" wrote in
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Really, Shelley? I'm using Advantage, and I bathe Kiba either the
day of, or the day before I apply it, to avoid washing it off.

Frontline and Advantage are not the same product. They have totally
different active ingredients, and as far as I know, they may have
different modes of action.

Frontline works by being absorbed into the dog's oil glands, then
secreted and distributed with the dog's natural coat oils. So if you
strip away those oils, you strip away the product. More will be
distributed as the dog secretes more coat oils, which is why
Frontline is "waterproof," but if you bathe too frequently, you will
reduce the ability of the product to work.

do you have a basis for your statement?

Well, I wasn't talking about Advantage. The package insert for
Advantabe Multi (couldn't find one online for plain Advantage) says
not to bathe or immerse the dog in water for at least four days after
treatment. It also says that bathing as often as once weekly will
reduce the product's efficacy for killing fleas.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Shelly" wrote in message
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"Phyrie" wrote in
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Really, Shelley? I'm using Advantage, and I bathe Kiba either the
day of, or the day before I apply it, to avoid washing it off.

Frontline and Advantage are not the same product. They have totally
different active ingredients, and as far as I know, they may have
different modes of action.

Frontline works by being absorbed into the dog's oil glands, then
secreted and distributed with the dog's natural coat oils. So if you
strip away those oils, you strip away the product. More will be
distributed as the dog secretes more coat oils, which is why
Frontline is "waterproof," but if you bathe too frequently, you will
reduce the ability of the product to work.

do you have a basis for your statement?

Well, I wasn't talking about Advantage. The package insert for
Advantabe Multi (couldn't find one online for plain Advantage) says
not to bathe or immerse the dog in water for at least four days after
treatment. It also says that bathing as often as once weekly will
reduce the product's efficacy for killing fleas.

Thanks for replying. We only bathe once a month if we can, barring any
"incidences" that require more bathing. I did read the Advantage insert,
and had decided that bathing before, so as not to need to after, was the way
to go.

I didn't realize that the two products were completely different. I just
thought, same delivery, same drug, different company sort of thing. My vet
advises Advantage for the reasons you state above i.e. it's not absorbed by
the dog, but remains on the skin.

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/...758930/detail/

On Oct 30, 10:10*am, "Delusional_Dimensions_Recovery_DDR"
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resea
wrote:
* * * * * * * BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
I see y'all got a keyboard goliath --- 120 lbs. soaking wet and 5'8"
tall with no arse and the IQ of an imbecile.

Btw, the babies are still infested with fleas. I am calling
Superpetz to demand money refunded and put them on notice that
Frontline is ineffective.

Groups trimmed. Have a nice day.

Did you use Frontline or Frontline Plus? Frontline itself does not break
the flea cycle it only kills the current fleas. You need to use the
Frontline Plus which has a growth inhibitor and kills the fleas and stops
the eggs from developing into fleas.

Also quit taking them to the dog park if you know that's where you are
getting the fleas from.

Celeste


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"jl" wrote in message
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Are fleas developing resistance? Three 8-lb. dogs -- each is covered
with fleas. They are getting them from the doggie park.

Anybody else having this experience? That damn stuff is too expensive
to waste money on.

On Nov 1, 9:16*pm, "Spot" wrote:
Did you use Frontline or Frontline Plus? *Frontline itself does not break
the flea cycle it only kills the current fleas. *You need to use the
Frontline Plus which has a growth inhibitor and kills the fleas and stops
the eggs from developing into fleas.

Also quit taking them to the dog park if you know that's where you are
getting the fleas from.

Celeste

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"jl" wrote in message

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Are fleas developing resistance? *Three 8-lb. dogs -- each is covered
with fleas. *They are getting them from the doggie park.

Anybody else having this experience? *That damn stuff is too expensive
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It was indeed Frontline Plus. We still have fleas though. $50 wasted.

It was indeed Frontline Plus. We still have fleas though. $50 wasted.

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jl wrote:
Are fleas developing resistance? Three 8-lb. dogs -- each is covered
with fleas. They are getting them from the doggie park.

Anybody else having this experience? That damn stuff is too expensive
to waste money on.

It also poisons your pet! Don't wonder why dogs and cats are getting
such a tremendous cancer rate when they are exposed to all the chemicals.

I stopped using all that awhile back and I've been able to keep things
under control. Look into diatomaceous earth, nematodes, flea combs, even
using Dawn dish soap would be a large reduction in chemicals.

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/avictim.htm

Also, as long as you all are feeding your pets kibble you will have
terrible problems with allergies, hot spots, yeast infections, etc. It
is processed to the extreme, leaving no nutrition left which is why they
add vitamins and why pet suppliments is such a huge market.

Vets tend to just hide the symptoms instead of treating the underlying
cause. Steroids are not a solution and neither is Benadryl.

A well fed, raw fed dog is much more flea resistant and can save you
thousands in vet bills.