I have a 8 month old border collie female pup

We have a problem with her, we on occasion take her to a large park,
actually
an open playing field, and let her loose.

She loves to chase the birds, and run in huge circles of up to 600 metres
(yards)

The problem is she will not come back when called, we have tried honking the
car horn, trying to tempt her with treats, calling her, but until she is
really run out she will not come back to the car. This takes well over an
hour or more. Sometimes we do not have so long a time, and want here back
before she is ready.

We like to let her have a good run rather than just time on a lead.

She is a clever dog and when you trick her into the car before she is ready,
she remembers that trick and so it does not work a second time.

We have run out of ideas.


Anyone have any suggestions?

"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in message
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Anyone have any suggestions?

Personally, I would not let a dog off lead unless and until it has a
reliable recall. Have you done any obedience training with this dog?

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Shelly" spoke these words of wisdom in news:gfshd2$5ad
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"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in message
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Anyone have any suggestions?

Personally, I would not let a dog off lead unless and until it has a
reliable recall. Have you done any obedience training with this dog?


ditto

diddy none wrote:
"Shelly" spoke these words of wisdom in news:gfshd2$5ad
:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in message
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Anyone have any suggestions?

Personally, I would not let a dog off lead unless and until it has a
reliable recall. Have you done any obedience training with this dog?

ditto

Tritto. My dog does not yet have a solid recall, and as such is
NEVER let off lead anywhere other than on fenced property.

("Ramrod Sword of Baal?")

--
Mark Shaw (And Baron) moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm
================================================== =======================
"A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance,
and to turn around three times before lying down." -Robert Benchley

"Mark Shaw" wrote in message
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diddy none wrote:
"Shelly" spoke these words of wisdom in
news:gfshd2$5ad
:
"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in message
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Anyone have any suggestions?

Personally, I would not let a dog off lead unless and until it has a
reliable recall. Have you done any obedience training with this dog?

ditto

Tritto. My dog does not yet have a solid recall, and as such is
NEVER let off lead anywhere other than on fenced property.

("Ramrod Sword of Baal?")


She is getting slowly better and is slowly learning to come back.

On Dec 2, 2:47*am, "Delusional_Dimensions_Recovery_DDR"
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resea
wrote:
HOWEDY ramrod sword of baal,

* * * * *You JEST GOT LUCKY~!

"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in ...



"Mark Shaw" wrote in message
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* * * * * * * * * * *KERCHING~!

diddy none wrote:

* * * * * * * * * * *KERCHING~!~!

"Shelly" spoke these words of wisdom in
news:gfshd2$5ad
:

* * * * * * * * * * *KERCHING~!~!~!

Three pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic life-
long incurable malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL
CASES in a RHOWE!

* * * * * * * * * *JACKASS POT~!

"RamRod Sword of Baal" wrote in message
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Anyone have any suggestions?

Looks like you're in EXXXCELLENT company, eh, rod??

Oh, you don't mind me referrin to you in the familial "rod", do you?

Or would you prefer ram?

Personally, I would not let a dog off lead
unless and until it has a reliable recall.

Yeah. LUCKY THING it only takes a few minutes to
*install a 100% reliable come *(or ANY) command as
*a Pavlovian Conditional Reflex, if you know HOWE.

*Have you done any obedience training with this dog?

Oh, obedience trainin is the REASON HOWE COME these
pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk
thug coward active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES
MENTAL CASES CAN'T TRAIN THEIR
OWN DOGS to come~!

ditto

diddler can't train her own dogs not to eat **** and murder
her livestock and her veterinarian's office kitty and run
HOWET of her SHOCK FENCE {}: ~ (

Tritto. *My dog does not yet have a solid recall, and as such is
NEVER let off lead anywhere other than on fenced property.

marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT" shaw GOT
THE SAME PROBLEM for the SAME REASON, rod {}: ~ (

* * * * * * * * * * * * *SEE?

("Ramrod Sword of Baal?")

marquis objects to all things Biblical {}: ~ (

LUCKY THING both diddler an shelly are likeWIZE, Satanists.

She is getting slowly better and is slowly learning to come back.

Despite that I gave you a half dozen POSTED CASE HISTORIES
of dogs trained NEARLY INSTANTLY to come EVERY TIME??

Would you LIKE to see another half dozen or so, ram?

* * * * * * * * * * * BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

AS STATED: "Looks like you're in EXXXCELLENT company, eh, rod??"

* * * * * * * * *BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Perhaps you should stop playin grabass with the MENTAL CASES here?

Here's HOWE COME these maliciHOWES malignant incurable
pathetic MENTAL CASES CAN'T TRAIN THEIR OWN DOGS, ram:

HOWEDY marquis de "READ KOEHLER FOR CONTENT"
shaw, you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin dog abusing
punk thug coward active accute chronic life long incurable
*malignant maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE, FRAUD an
SCAM ARTIST and dismal failure as a electronics engineer
*cum illegal doggy day care operator,

"Mark Shaw" wrote in message

...

Shelly wrote:

I know most of that sounds like crankypantsing,

This is my new favorite word.

HOWEver, only when you post anonymHOWESELY {}: ~ )

* * * * * * * * * * * *LIKE THIS:

From: Mark Shaw
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:38:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: usenet anonymity

Some people freak out over pseudonyms. *I don't know why.

I use a fake name on another newsgroup. *Why? *Without getting
into too many details, it's to avoid possible hard feelings should
what I post there be revealed to certain friends or coworkers in
real life.

But the name I'm known by there is real, and it's legitimately mine
in a sense - it's the name of the imaginary friend I had when I was
three or four years old. *And I don't change it around; nor is it
intended to defraud or otherwise harm anybody.

So: meh.
--
Mark Shaw (And Baron)

* * * * * * * * * * * * -----------------------

* * * * * * * * *SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

* * * * * * BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
From: (Mark Shaw)
Date: 2000/01/27
Subject: To Jerry Howe and Other Professed Trainers!!!!!

In article ,

(Melissa Wright) wrote:

I have read all of the WEDTM, I do not agree with all of it, but
some of it does make since. I do use noise distraction to a certain
degree myself.

I would also like to say, I read the Forced Fetch training from
Oak Hill Kennel, If that is how Cindy Title Moore and Amy
Dahl train, I wouldn't let them train my PIG let alone a dog.

I would much rather train and have my dogs trained by Jerry Howe
*then twist my dogs ears,like you are told to do in this training.

You have been seriously misinformed. *Moore and Dahl are among the
more competent people around here. *You know all those FAQs posted to
rec.pets.dogs.info? *Cindy is the one responsible for maintaining and
posting them. *And neither of them are abusive.

As far as Howe, he's one of the LEAST competent people here,
and he's almost certainly responsible for misinforming you about
the others.

What Howe and other bedwetters, ******s and PeTA-pukes do
is latch onto some technique or other intended to train a particular
*life-threatening behavior out of a dog as a last resort, and claim
*that every person who agrees that that method used in that setting
is appropriate is a horrible sadist. *This is libel, pure and simple,
and if Howe keeps it up he may eventually find himself in civil court.

Example: dogs who must work near rattlesnakes are best and most
quickly trained to leave them alone via electonic-collar training,
performed by people who are familiar with E-collars and competent
*in their use.

This is analogous to slapping a child's hand when he reaches for a
hot stove -- a moment of very minor pain in exchange for a behavior
modification that will prevent major pain or crippling injury or even
death later. *Let someone express that opinion here, though, and Howe
will pursue that person relentlessly, spewing hateful crap about how
they're sadists who "get off" on shocking and burning dogs and trying
to sell people his magic sound box (which apparently does not even
exist) instead.

The man's a nut. *Don't pay any attention to him. *Don't take my
word for it, though -- hang around a little while, read others'
thoughts on him, and make up your own mind.

(Aside to Vagabond-Mom: seewhutimean?)

[posted and emailed]

--
Mark Shaw (and Maggie)

* * * * * * * * * * * * *-------------------

Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in
the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb
all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on
his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar
or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either
They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog.
Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch:
You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog
SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

* * * *"Don't Let Your Dog Scream. Use Your Hand To Hold
* * * *His Muzzle Closed And Tell Him To Quit Moaning,"
* * * *Sindymooreon.

* * * * * * * * * * --------------------------

lying frosty dahl wrote:

*"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
* I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
* Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
* Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
* to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
* possibly get a good working dog by making them
* unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
* frosty dahl.

lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.

* * lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
* * Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
* * the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, *less tractable
* * dogs may require you to progress to striking them
* * more sharply

* * Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
* * the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
* * Eventually, the dog will give in

* * but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
* * efforts to escaping the ear pinch

* * You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
* * instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
* * and pinch the ear against that

* * Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
* * urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

* * CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
* * Right Hand, *As it catches on, try using the stick
* * and no ear pinch.

* * When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
* * and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
* * you are finished

* * If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
* * say "No! Hold!"

* * (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
* * the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
* * it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.

* * "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
* * *professora gingold.

* * terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
* * "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
* * something you twisted out of context, because you
* * are full of bizarro manure."

* * * * "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
* * * * Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
* * * * With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
* * * * discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.

"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally ...

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any dog I have ever had, when it doesnt want to come to me, I just sit
down and ignore her while keeping half an eye on her. May take a few
mons, but she comes to me as if wondering why the hell I've sat down,
turned my back on her and pretty much ignore her. it's like, this
isnt fair. What wrong, what you doing. Then, put the lead on her
telling her what a good dog she is and praise her. Works everytime

On Dec 2, 4:30*pm, alpha.bob© wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 00:19:36 -0800 (PST), k9nick
wrote:

You have more than 'doggie problems'
You have ASSHOLE POSTER SYNDROM
First you converse with a complete moron.... Then you CROSSPOST it.

And some people are "RUN AWAY FROM DANGER" MAN superheroes.

Why did you CROSSPOST this all over?