Rocky wrote:
chardonnay9 said in
rec.pets.dogs.health:

Because of those reactions your dogs qualify for an
exemption from rabies vaccinations. They never have to have
that shot ever again.

Rabies vaccinations are not required where I live. I choose to
have them done.


Sorry you had to learn the hard way about reactions to vaccines. Since
they have all had at least one shot they are basicly immune for life and
won't need it done anymore, sparing you further damage to your pets.

"Rocky" wrote in message
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It was an infection caused by a reaction to the rabies
vaccination.

Scary. Can you do three-year RV in your area (I assume not)? That
would at least cut down the number of times you'd have to deal with
potential problems.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Rocky" wrote in message
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It was an infection caused by a reaction to the rabies
vaccination. The vet will be refunding the cost of the
examination and lab fees.

Yay!!! At least I *think* it's a good thing, if an infection can be a good
thing...... It's so much better than the other thoughts we've all had.

And yay also to your vet. Very good PR for him.

All three of my dogs have had some sort of reaction to
vaccinations - this was Friday's 7th or 8th RV and the first
time I've noticed a reaction.

Are you giving the rabies vaccine every year? Our protocol is to give one
as a puppy (I forget the exact age - 3 months maybe - I mean "perhaps"?),
then one a year later, then every three years. I've even heard that it's
the same vaccine whether it's given every year or every three years.

I've heard that you can do titers for rabies - as I do for everything else.
Pennsylvania requires a rabies shot every three years, so there's no point
in me doing titers for it. But I probably would if one of my dogs had a
problem - I think there is actually a way to get the exemption for that.

Judy

In article ,
Rocky wrote:


It was an infection caused by a reaction to the rabies
vaccination. The vet will be refunding the cost of the
examination and lab fees.

PHEW!!!!!!!!!!! I like good news first thing in the a.m.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Judy wrote:
"Rocky" wrote in message
...
It was an infection caused by a reaction to the rabies
vaccination. The vet will be refunding the cost of the
examination and lab fees.

Yay!!! At least I *think* it's a good thing, if an infection can be a
good thing...... It's so much better than the other thoughts we've all
had.

And yay also to your vet. Very good PR for him.

All three of my dogs have had some sort of reaction to
vaccinations - this was Friday's 7th or 8th RV and the first
time I've noticed a reaction.

Are you giving the rabies vaccine every year? Our protocol is to give
one as a puppy (I forget the exact age - 3 months maybe - I mean
"perhaps"?), then one a year later, then every three years. I've even
heard that it's the same vaccine whether it's given every year or every
three years.

I've heard that you can do titers for rabies - as I do for everything
else. Pennsylvania requires a rabies shot every three years, so there's
no point in me doing titers for it. But I probably would if one of my
dogs had a problem - I think there is actually a way to get the
exemption for that.

Judy

The problem with titers is that it doesn't show anything if the dog
hasn't had a recent exposure. The dog could be (and probably is) immune
for life.

The vaccine manufacturer specifically says that only healthy dogs should
get the vaccine, something that most vets ignore all the time. Because
his dogs had a reaction he doesn't have to give the shots ever again,
and shouldn't.

The manufacturers of the vaccines don't do studies that they know will
harm their bottom line so, first of all if there is harm we are left to
find it for ourselves. And that is why the Rabies Challenge is so
important to our pets.

"Researchers believe the rabies vaccine can cause adverse reactions in
animals, and concur that it should not be given more often than is
necessary to maintain immunity. Adverse reactions to rabies vaccination
can include autoimmune diseases affecting the thyroid, joints, blood,
eyes, skin, kidney, liver, bowel and central nervous system;
anaphylactic shock; aggression; seizures; epilepsy; and fibrosarcomas at
injection sites."

You can listen to a podcast of Dr. Jean Dodds and Kris Christine,
founders of the Rabies Challenge Fund at
http://www.animaltalknaturally.com/2...lenge-show-91/

This is one of the most important projects in veterinary medicine. It
will benefit all dogs by providing evidence that protection from rabies
vaccination lasts at least 5 years, thereby avoiding unnecessary
revaccination with its attendant risk of debilitating adverse reactions
~ Dr. Jean Dodds

Rabies immunization laws in the United States are not based upon
long-term duration of immunity studies. The Rabies Challenge Fund will
finance concurrent 5 and 7 year studies according to FDA vaccine
licensing standards. The results will provide the scientific data base
which state laws should reflect in order to avoid unnecessary over
vaccination while maintaining immunity to rabies in the canine community
~ Kris Christine

Of course this is just baby steps to what will come in the future.

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...

The problem with titers is that it doesn't show anything if the dog
hasn't had a recent exposure. The dog could be (and probably is)
immune for life.

You are unclear on what an antibody titer is and how it works. Hint:
proximity to exposure is not necessarily relevant. And, if the dog is
immune, then it *has* antibodies to the disease in question. A dog
cannot be immune to a disease it has no antibodies for.

Because his dogs had a reaction he doesn't have to give the shots ever
again, and shouldn't.

He didn't *have* to give the shot, period.

This is one of the most important projects in veterinary medicine. It
will benefit all dogs by providing evidence that protection from
rabies vaccination lasts at least 5 years, thereby avoiding
unnecessary revaccination with its attendant risk of debilitating
adverse reactions ~ Dr. Jean Dodds

Please point out where Dr. Dodds supports your recommendation that that
people not vaccinate their dogs.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

"Shelly" said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

"Rocky" wrote in message
...

It was an infection caused by a reaction to the rabies
vaccination.

Scary. Can you do three-year RV in your area (I assume
not)? That would at least cut down the number of times
you'd have to deal with potential problems.

The vet Rocky goes to has a three-year protocol: year 1, rabies;
year 2, bordetalla; year 3, everything else. Rocky has had
vaccine reactions in the past (facial swelling) but we're not
sure whether it's one particular vaccine or the combination.
Anyway, the vet gives him an injection of Benadryl, does the
physical exam, and then the vaccine(s).

Friday's vet doesn't do three-year RV. He says it wouldn't help
in Friday's reaction, anyway, because of the increased antigen
load.

After this, I would consider not doing an RV with him, but we
travel so much that I want to play it safe.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Judy" said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I've even heard that it's
the same vaccine whether it's given every year or every
three years.

According to both my vets, the three-year RV has more antigens.
Some vets use the one-year RV every two years, what Friday's vet
called going "off label", something he won't do.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" wrote in message
...

Friday's vet doesn't do three-year RV. He says it wouldn't help
in Friday's reaction, anyway, because of the increased antigen
load.

It might not help in the reaction, but you'd only have to deal with it
every three years.

Here's my question, though. If Friday became infected as a result of
the vaccine, how does that impact his immunity?

After this, I would consider not doing an RV with him, but we
travel so much that I want to play it safe.

I can understand why you'd want to keep him UTD on RV. If it were any
other vaccine, maybe not, but rabies is just too scary to screw around
with if your dog is going to be anywhere near where he could come in
contact with it.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Shelly wrote:

"Rocky" wrote in message
...

Friday's vet doesn't do three-year RV. He says it wouldn't help
in Friday's reaction, anyway, because of the increased antigen
load.

It might not help in the reaction, but you'd only have to deal with it
every three years.

Here's my question, though. If Friday became infected as a result of
the vaccine, how does that impact his immunity?

After this, I would consider not doing an RV with him, but we
travel so much that I want to play it safe.

I can understand why you'd want to keep him UTD on RV. If it were any
other vaccine, maybe not, but rabies is just too scary to screw around
with if your dog is going to be anywhere near where he could come in
contact with it.


Duh!

Rabies vaccines don't just go away after they are given. If any of you
had bothered to read the article on the Science of Vaccines you'd know
that vaccinating over and over is what causes much of the problems with
dogs. Once Jean Dodd's study is complete we will be a step further
towards getting the abuse stopped. Baby steps will do for now.

Indeed, by vaccinating over and over again you can actually reduce the
dog's protection.

That this vet vaccinated the dog after already knowing it's had adverse
reactions is against what the manufacturer says. Vaccines should only be
used on healthy dogs and especially not on one that has had a previous
adverse reaction.

And have you actually looked at the rabies stats in your area? The
numbers are frequently exaggerated to scare you into getting more shots.
There have been no rabid dogs in my county for decades.