chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
Shelly wrote:
Of course. But that doesn't mean that carbs *cause* diabetes.

An unhealthy lifestyle causes type 2 diabetes. Carbs are
indirectly implicated because of the link between obesity
and type 2. But it's not carbs themselves that have been
linked, it's obesity. And lack of exercise.

And a handful of other factors must contribute (else everyone who
is obese and fails to exercise would become diabetic, and that
doesn't happen).

Carbs cause obesity! How easy is that!

You want to try to tell that to vegans? IME most vegans are on
the slim side.

Now the wrong kind of carbs - there may be some merit to singling
them out. Refined sugars, high fructose corn syrup, refined
grains, mixed with hydrogenated oils (can you spell Twinkie?),
taken in excess and replacing other sources of nutrition, yes,
they likely do contribute to obesity and development of metabolic
syndrome. At least, a growing body of correlational data points
in that direction.

FurPaw

--
Why do people who embrace Social Darwinism object to teaching the
theory of evolution?

To reply, unleash the dog.

Were you feeding her kibble? It causes diabetes quite frequently. Many
times a change in diet to something more species appropriate (real meat,
bones and organs) will cause the diabetes to totally go away. Sometimes it
won't.

It does NOT cause diabetes. Way to go, Chard. Blame the death on the
grieving family.

You are dangerous.

Because it commonly does with Type 2. I'm diabetic so I know about carb
restrictions to keep the sugar readings down.

You have an answer and an experience for everything, Einstein. You show up
here spouting your knowledge and anti-vet venom and now you are giving bad
advice to grieving pet owners.

You are such a liar. Go ahead and hit me with you 33kb 'answers'.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:

I'm diabetic

Well! You obviously don't eat properly! Change that and you can get
rid of your diabetes!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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Well! You obviously don't eat properly! Change that and you can get
rid of your diabetes!

If only Chard had eaten a species-appropriate diet of raw meat and
scavenged vegetable matter, s/he would not have developed Teh Di-beetus.
Or something.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Shelly wrote:
"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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Well! You obviously don't eat properly! Change that and you can get
rid of your diabetes!

If only Chard had eaten a species-appropriate diet of raw meat and
scavenged vegetable matter, s/he would not have developed Teh Di-beetus.
Or something.


http://www.thepaleodiet.com/

The Paleo Diet is a way of eating in the modern age that best mimics the
nutrition of our evolutionary and genetic heritage - the ancestral,
Paleolithic diet. For millions of years our hunter-gatherer ancestors
ate combinations of lean meat, seafood, plants, fruit, and nuts. But
today in America, more than 70% of our dietary calories come from foods
that our Paleolithic (Stone Age) ancestors rarely if ever ate ... and
that modern humans are not genetically adapted to eat. The result is
epidemic levels of cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, obesity,
osteoporosis, arthritis, acne, gastrointestinal disease, and more.

Since I've been restricting carbs I've lost 30 lbs and glucose levels
are now normal most of the time and I've been able to reduce my meds as
well.

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Since I've been restricting carbs I've lost 30 lbs and glucose levels
are now normal most of the time and I've been able to reduce my meds
as well.

Our evolutionary ancestors ate raw meat and scavenged vegetable matter.
Since you keep insisting that dogs have the same dietary needs as their
evolutionary ancestors, and since you brought up the subject of your own
diet, it seems fair to ask if you, too, eat a species-specific diet
based on that of your evolutionary ancestors.

What I'm not interested in is a bunch of plagiarized, copy-and-pasted
nonsense.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

chardonnay9 wrote:

Since I've been restricting carbs I've lost 30 lbs and glucose levels
are now normal most of the time and I've been able to reduce my meds as
well.

Do you truly follow a Paleo diet?

Do you eat meat from animals that run free in the wild? The
composition of wild meat is a far cry from meat that comes from
feed lots. And do you eat it raw?

And do you hunt your meat down or walk miles gathering your
plants, fruit and nuts? A large component of the benefits of a
hunter-gatherer "diet" is the exercise obtained in
hunting/gathering one's food. I'm not aware of studies of
hunter-gatherer diets that successfully separated the effects of
exercise from the effects of the diet on measures of health.

FurPaw

--
Why do people who embrace Social Darwinism object to teaching the
theory of evolution?

To reply, unleash the dog.

In article ,
Shelly wrote:
Our evolutionary ancestors ate raw meat and scavenged vegetable matter.

And didn't exactly live forever.

I'm still interested in her assertion that dogs lived longer
before kibble came into use. That contradicts everything
I've ever heard and I'm still interested in knowing where
she heard that.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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And didn't exactly live forever.

Sure. Kind of like wolves. At least, the ones who aren't in zoos
eating kibble-based diet.

I'm still interested in her assertion that dogs lived longer
before kibble came into use.

I expect she'll get around to explaining that at about the same time she
gets around to explaining why kibble is killing my 22 year old cat.

That contradicts everything
I've ever heard and I'm still interested in knowing where
she heard that.

It's an interesting twist, for sure. Usually it's kibble proponents
pointing out that modern manufactured diets are at least partially
responsible for lengthening pets' lives. Also, vaccinations and hugely
improved vet care, but I'm sure Chard doesn't care about those sorts of
pesky details.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)