Mike and Me wrote in
0.224:


Wow did I open a can of worms .... lots of good stuff here though.
Useful as I continue to work on isolating the "real" problem ...
much thanks to all for your input (including Shelly)

Best Regards

Mike

Now i'm confused i meant to include "chardonnay9" - hope EVERYONE has a
joyful holiday (peace on earth)

In article 4,
Mike and Me wrote:
Wow did I open a can of worms

You didn't. Chardonnay did, and does every time she posts
her dangerous, crackpot, unsupported "theories" about dog
food.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Shelly said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I haven't a clue what you mean by "all natural"

Well, in Chard's world, Xylitol is probably "all natural"
because it's a naturally occuring organic compound. That it's
toxic to dogs is really beside the point.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Shelly wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote in
m:

" Dogs do not have the digestive system to cope with grains.
Grains are one of the biggest sources of allergies in dogs.

We've had this "discussion" before, Chard. If you don't know what
the dog is allergic to, just eliminating grains is not the answer.
What if the dog is allergic to beef? Chicken? Turkey? Just
switching to raw beef, chicken, or turkey will not magically make the
dog any less allergic to that ingredient.

Grains make up the majority of dog food company food sources. Many
people find when they switch to an all natural diet, the allergies
their dogs had disappear. This is common.

And yet, switching my dog to a grain free (I haven't a clue what you
mean by "all natural") diet did not automagically stop her food
allergies.

You can't comprehend "yeast infection"?


I think it's pretty low to exploit someone's problem in order to push
your personal agenda. Really, really low.

And to Mike--what Melinda said. Chard is a kook, and following her
advice could really harm your dog.


Not following it could really harm the dog. Look at you. You've tried
several food changes and still don't have it solved.

To recommend steroids and Benadryl is totally irresponsible. You have to
eliminate the problem, not hide it. Vets don't have the time nor the
knowledge to do that so they give you drugs that hide it.

Just because Melinda doesn't agree with me doesn't mean I'm a kook. It
means Melinda is closed minded.

Melinda Shore wrote:


I'm curious to know how she knows for a fact that grains
make up the majority of dog food company food sources.

All kibble manufacturers list their ingredients online. Wasn't that an
easy one?

Mike and Me wrote:
Mike and Me wrote in
0.224:

Wow did I open a can of worms .... lots of good stuff here though.
Useful as I continue to work on isolating the "real" problem ...
much thanks to all for your input (including Shelly)

Best Regards

Mike

Now i'm confused i meant to include "chardonnay9" - hope EVERYONE has a
joyful holiday (peace on earth)

Same to you Mike!

Don't worry about them. I don't.

chardonnay9 wrote in
:

You can't comprehend "yeast infection"?

Yeast infection != food allergy.

To recommend steroids and Benadryl is totally irresponsible.

I didn't recommend them. I recommended talking to his vet about
them.

You have to eliminate the problem, not hide it.

Sometimes eliminating the problem involves medication.

Just because Melinda doesn't agree with me doesn't mean I'm a
kook.

The fact that you're a kook is what makes you a kook, ya kook.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Shelly wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote in
:

You can't comprehend "yeast infection"?

Yeast infection != food allergy.

It doesn't go away by merely taking away the allergen like allergies
tend to do. You have to specifically treat for it.



To recommend steroids and Benadryl is totally irresponsible.

I didn't recommend them. I recommended talking to his vet about
them.

Vets commonly use them and recommend them. That doesn't mean it's the
correct solution. Indeed, it's never the correct solution. So why would
you tell him to talk to his vet? Sounds plain stupid.


You have to eliminate the problem, not hide it.

Sometimes eliminating the problem involves medication.

Steroids and Benedryl don't eliminate anything. All they are good for is
hiding things and both have sometimes severe side effects. I'd never
give a dog either one. Guess I'm a lot pickier about what my dogs get
than you are.



Just because Melinda doesn't agree with me doesn't mean I'm a
kook.

The fact that you're a kook is what makes you a kook, ya kook.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln_qHyGD9zo

Thank you!

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
I'm curious to know how she knows for a fact that grains
make up the majority of dog food company food sources.
All kibble manufacturers list their ingredients online. Wasn't that an
easy one?

No. Are you really this badly educated?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

chardonnay9 wrote in
m:

Shelly wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote in
:

You can't comprehend "yeast infection"?

Yeast infection != food allergy.

It doesn't go away by merely taking away the allergen like
allergies tend to do. You have to specifically treat for it.

It does if it's an allergy, which is what the OP was asking about.

So why would you tell him to talk to his vet? Sounds plain
stupid.

Says the person who does not take her dogs to the vet, period.

Steroids and Benedryl don't eliminate anything.

Benadryl is an antihistimine, so it damned sure *does* stop (I assume
that's what you mean by eliminate) certain reactions. Prednisone,
while potentially dangerous, surpresses (dare I say eliminates?)
inflamation. It can also slow the growth of certain tumors. Short-
term use of prednisone for severe allegies can be helpful. And in
some animals (e.g. cats), long-term, low-dose use can be a life saver
with very few side-effects.

All they are good for is hiding things and both have sometimes
severe side effects.

Water kills, dude.

I'd never give a dog either one. Guess I'm a lot pickier about
what my dogs get than you are.

The evidence suggests the exact opposite, actually.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)