"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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Consequently I'm often a little surprised by the constant
"citecitecite" schtick here.

Speaking only for myself, I like to know where people like Chard get
their wackaloon ideas. What they consider a "cite" is often
entertaining.

I have no background real in biology, either[1], so what *I* settle for
in terms of a cite is a reasonable, respected, established third party
who I trust to distill data into a form that I can comprehend. E.g. I
trust the May Clinic or the FDA much more than any of the paranoid snake
oil salesmen Chard's offered up.

[1] I worked on a cancer research team for awhile, recording some of the
same sorts of data that I now have no idea what to do with.

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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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The NIH has issued a health warning.

Which is still not exactly hindering the sale of CS in the US. Those
poor, persecuted snake oil salesmen!

That's just like murdering 6.000.000 Jews!

*Totally*!

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chardonnay9 said in
rec.pets.dogs.health:

Sharon Too wrote:
I'm stilling waiting to hear from her concerning the
rabies vax and why it's acceptable to her to risk having
her pet destroyed to rule out rabies virus if it bites
someone.

They don't destroy dogs here for that. You get a home
quarantine is all.

Many places in the US allow home quarantine only if the pet has
proof of rabies vaccination, otherwise it's quarantined at a
holding facility.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...

They don't destroy dogs here for that. You get a home quarantine is
all.

In my state, it's a class C infraction (fine up to $500) to knowingly
harbor a dog that's not vaccinated against rabies. If your unimmunized
dog bites someone, it becomes a class B misdemeanor (up to 180 days in
jail plus potentially up to $1000 fine). It is up to the local health
officer to decide whether the animal is quarantined or destroyed and
tested.

http://www.in.gov/boah/2485.htm

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They don't destroy dogs here for that. You get a home quarantine is all.

I doubt that's all there is to it. This is a public health concern and it's
never that easy.

And how kind of you to put the worries of a potential victim on overload for
10 days so you can be the almighty non-vaccinator.

Good luck with that - dog and people abuser.

chardonnay9 wrote:

If my advice is so terrible why are there hundreds of thousands of
people turning to holistic medicine for pets and themselves?

Heck, I use holistic medicine for my pets and myself (examples:
acupuncture, chiropractic, homeopathy, glucosamine and herbs.)
However, self-describing the crap you post as "holistic" does
nothing to change the fact that you're simply giving out criminally
bad advice.

Dianne

Shelly wrote:

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
news
And as I posted earlier there are other alternatives to relief that
aren't nearly as dangerous. Why not choose them instead?

Short term use of presnisone in canines carries a low risk of serious
side effects. It does cause salt retention, so increased thirst and
urination are common, but for just a couple of weeks, I found the
trade-off to be acceptable.

Prednisone impairs healing! It should have never taken more than a
year to diagnose the problem.

No one is saying it should be used as a diagnostic tool, you tool. And
*no* one here has recommended putting a dog on it for a year.



Yeah, as it was my dog in question I can vouch the dog was not on
prednisone for a year. At various points in the year he was on it for
short periods. Because he had several issues, when one was
treated his condition would improve and eventually he would relapse. It
took a year to diagnose all of his allergies and the type of skin
infection and then to treat all of them at once. Only then was he fully
'cured' so to speak.

Nick

Shelly wrote:

Good grief! So that's where Chard got the year time-frame from? I took
it to mean that you had worked for a year to get the allergies under
control, using various methods, one of which was a short course of
prednisone. And even if your dog was on pred for a year, I'm sure you
were in frequent consultation with your vet, and that the apperance of
any serious side effects would have had you both re-evaluating your
course of treatment. I mean, duh. Why Chard cannot comprehend this is
mind-boggling. Then again, she views vets as The Enemy, not as allies.


It was many years ago so I don't remember how many times he was put on
prednisone, but each time was only for short periods and we had frequent
bloodwork run. According to my vet he had the worst food allergies he
had ever had to deal with and on top of that the fungal infection just
made everything worse.

Nick

chardonnay9 wrote:


Prednisone is never "required". It's just the choice of whomever treated.

And I guess allopathic methods just take a great deal longer than
holistic methods to diagnose? It takes ten days to feed a dog just
chicken and notice if it's still itching. Takes ten more to switch to
beef and do it again.

I wouldn't be surprised if the dog is also being given such harmful
things like Rymadil or K9 Advantix as well. Any chemicals on the dog
could be the cause of the problem or causing the problem to be worse.

Except in order to diagnose his allergies he needed to be put on just
chicken intially and then had other ingredients added in until even the
bland kibbles could be attempted. It took significantly longer than 10
days to see a change in his condition. Not every dog with food
allergies has one allergy and if you elliminate it you fix the
problem. If you wrote down a list of the most common food allergies in
dogs, he had pretty much all of them and then a few extras on top of
that. Complicating matters even more, the fungal infection caused....
itchy skin, so you have two issues causing the same symptom and until
the allergies were completely resolved the fungal infection could not
be completely cleared up.

And he is not on Rymadil or any other such meds as he passed several
years ago at 13 years old.

Nick

Nick wrote in
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It took a year to diagnose all of his allergies and the type of
skin infection and then to treat all of them at once.

Fun. I repeat, allergies are a pain in the ass!

Only then was he fully 'cured' so to speak.

And I bet it didn't require reiki or colloidal silver. Amazing!

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