On Jan 6, 2:22*pm, Janet Boss
wrote:
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*Nick wrote:

It doesn't really matter if the child is truly being abusive. *I can see
one of two things happening, either the child IS being abusive, which
would be cruel to allow to happen. *Or, the dog is slightly unstable and
allowing a child to push it over the edge is irresponsible.

precisely. *Ted will be the first one to blame the dog instead of his
bratty children. *Why on earth would anyone allow children to pull that
crap, especially when the dog has given off warning signals?

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you've got me

even my ADD/OCD/ODD kid knew not to bother the dog....

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
Perhaps Ted is taking some risk by allowing the interactions between
his child and dog escalate to the point of growling and snapping, but
I doubt that the child is being really abusive.

That's not the issue. It's plain wrong to stand by while a child pokes,
prods, pulls, or otherwise aggravates an animal. When an adult tolerates
such goings-on in his presence, the child (and the dog) clearly receive the
message that such behavior is Allowed. Such behavior is not acceptable,
and children need to know that such behavior is not acceptable (and the
family dog needs to know that s/he will be protected by adults from such
behavior, making it more likely that the dog will seek an adult rather than
apply corrective meaasures itself).

...In the "Marley and Me" book, the children did all sorts
of things to the dog, with no sign of any dangerous reaction.

With all the educational material about dogs and behavior available to you,
you choose "Marley and Me" as your behavioral Bible? Once again, you
generalize "nothing bad happened this time" to "nothing bad will happen".

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"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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In article ,
Nick wrote:


It doesn't really matter if the child is truly being abusive. I can see
one of two things happening, either the child IS being abusive, which
would be cruel to allow to happen. Or, the dog is slightly unstable and
allowing a child to push it over the edge is irresponsible.

precisely. Ted will be the first one to blame the dog instead of his
bratty children. Why on earth would anyone allow children to pull that
crap, especially when the dog has given off warning signals?

This is why I cautioned Diddy to make sure the kids in school, who swarmed
all over Tuck, should be taught that not all dogs are as stable and
forgiving as he is. Even Mr Snappy-Grabby has teeth that could inflict
injury, even if not from deliberate aggression. Maybe kids should watch a
video of what a dog can do if provoked or ordered to attack. But sometimes
a child will not learn to keep hands off a hot stove until he has a few
blisters on his fingers.

Still, I think someone (with experience) should attempt to give Ted some
positive ideas about how to train his kids not to provoke the dog, and also
perhaps have the dog checked for possible pain issues that might account
for sensitivity near the genitalia or the tail.

Paul and Muttley

On Jan 6, 2:38*pm, Mary Healey wrote:


With all the educational material about dogs and behavior available to you,
you choose "Marley and Me" as your behavioral Bible? *Once again, you
generalize "nothing bad happened this time" to "nothing bad will happen".


Boogles the mind!

Janet Boss wrote:

In article ,
Nick wrote:


It doesn't really matter if the child is truly being abusive. I can see
one of two things happening, either the child IS being abusive, which
would be cruel to allow to happen. Or, the dog is slightly unstable and
allowing a child to push it over the edge is irresponsible.


precisely. Ted will be the first one to blame the dog instead of his
bratty children. Why on earth would anyone allow children to pull that
crap, especially when the dog has given off warning signals?


My children were born into a household with two high-energy, admittedly
spoiled BCs. I managed constantly, making sure that the kids never
pushed the boundaries with the dogs, and that the dogs didn't take
liberties with the kids. That was my job, the job of a responsible
parent and dog owner. I sure as **** didn't wait for an incident to
teach either dog or child a lesson.

And, yes Ted, children are trainable, as are dogs. I have two
high-energy children, two BCs and a JRT and I know where of I speak.
Quit making excuses.

On Jan 6, 2:49*pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:

Still, I think someone (with experience) should attempt to give Ted some
positive ideas about how to train his kids not to provoke the dog, and also
perhaps have the dog checked for possible pain issues that might account
for sensitivity near the genitalia or the tail.

Paul and Muttley


I do
and I did.

you WATCH YOUR KIDS and you TELL THEM NO when they do something
inappropriate.

IF they don't listen you either

remove the child (to a time out is my choice)
or
remove the dog (for his/her safety)

I raised 2.5 kids (one is still being raised)
I've had 5 dogs as an adult (and two as a child)

this is NOT rocket science.

"Nessa" wrote in message
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On Jan 6, 2:38 pm, Mary Healey wrote:


With all the educational material about dogs and behavior available to
you,
you choose "Marley and Me" as your behavioral Bible? Once again, you
generalize "nothing bad happened this time" to "nothing bad will happen".


Boogles the mind!

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The book was in the same section in the library as dog training books. I
also checked out two of those, "Good Owners, Great Dogs", and "Katz on
Dogs". But so far, John Grogan's book is the most entertaining.

I'm almost at the end; Marley has just survived bloat and gastric torsion,
but his days on earth are numbered. I plan to curl up in bed with the book,
my new TENS/EMS unit and my cuddly dog, the combination of which should
relieve some of my back pain.

We were going to visit a positive dog training class this evening but it
has been postponed because of weather. Maybe next week!

Paul and Muttley

On Jan 6, 5:09*pm, "Paul E. Schoen" wrote:
"Nessa" wrote in message

...
On Jan 6, 2:38 pm, Mary Healey wrote:



With all the educational material about dogs and behavior available to
you,
you choose "Marley and Me" as your behavioral Bible? Once again, you
generalize "nothing bad happened this time" to "nothing bad will happen".

Boogles the mind!

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The book was in the same section in the library as dog training books. I
also checked out two of those, "Good Owners, Great Dogs", and "Katz on
Dogs". But so far, John Grogan's book is the most entertaining.

I've never found a book that was going to be HELPFUL the most
entertaining.

Just beacause it's filed with training at a library does not make it a
book on training.

goodness but you know that you're just trying to make stupid
converstion.

You don't really know how to relate to people or dogs do you?



I'm almost at the end; Marley has just survived bloat and gastric torsion,
but his days on earth are numbered. I plan to curl up in bed with the book,
my new TENS/EMS unit and my cuddly dog, the combination of which should
relieve some of my back pain.

My neighbor had to have a TENS/EMS unit. Till she had gastric bypass
and releived almost all of her symptoms by losing weight.

Now she's in the gym working on her fitness every day.

Nessa wrote in

m:

Just beacause it's filed with training at a library does not make
it a book on training.

No kidding. But just for kicks, I looked and "my" library shelves
Grogan's books as biographies. But really, no matter where it's
shelved, the reader ought to be smart enough to figure out that it's
pretty much the opposite of a dog training how-to.

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In article ,
Nessa wrote:
Just beacause it's filed with training at a library does not make it a
book on training.

Back when I was working on recataloging the John Crerar
collection after it had been acquired by the University of
Chicago, my absolute favorite existing cataloging record was
for the book "Ancient Man" (author long since forgotten).
It was classified under "Gerontology."
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