In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:


Dead farm animals are in kibble anyway.

And in raw food! Eating live animals is generally not accepted practice!

So are euthanized pets, along
with their flea collars and whatever drugs were used to put them down.

Wherever do you get this crap?

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Dead farm animals are in kibble anyway. So are euthanized pets, along
with their flea collars and whatever drugs were used to put them down.

Everybody knows when you make stuff up.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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SteveB wrote:
"(null)" wrote


Dianne (who has no claim to being "a nutrition expert", just
decades of experience with lots and lots of dogs)
Since you are one of the few here who claims NOT to be a nutrition
expert, I will ask you specifically: what are three kinds of kibble I
should be considering changing to? If I cut the canned stuff, I can
definitely improve the kibble, and just add some broth. Or is the
broth bad, or even necessary.

I think I have the same problem as most pet owners. I want it to look
good enough so that I want to eat it. I confess those pictures and
names on that canned stuff makes me want to taste it when no one is
looking. Then my dogs shatter my impression of them and eat something
totally disgusting, and I think, "What the hell am I worrying about
kibble/can food/broth proportions for? I'll just get them some rotten
dead deer!"

Steve
Some people do feed road kill if it's fresh. It can be part of a species
appropriate diet. Others get deer and other animals from hunters, either
whole or in parts. And some make deals with local farmers to aquire
animals that have died.

I have heard that deer fat makes excellent bird suet, even raw. If it's
good for dogs, I'm in prime territory, as right now, there's five dead
deer out on the Interstate. They're all blown to smithereens, but the
dogs won't notice. I'll check with food and game. Oh, yeah. I'll also
ask around for diseased cattle, horse, and swine.

Feed my dogs dead farm animals? Where do you get this stuff? Did you
take acid when you were young? A lot?

Steve

Steve

Dead farm animals are in kibble anyway. So are euthanized pets, along with
their flea collars and whatever drugs were used to put them down.

If I hit a deer it's going home with me.

And please, if you have to put words in my mouth in order to trash me then
you haven't really disputed what I actually did say. Many times farms have
animals that died but are not diseased and they are much better to feed
than that kibble full of chemicals and roadkill that is not fresh.

Please work on broadening your vocabulary and verbalizing better. To deal
directly with your words, I would no more likely feed my dogs flesh of
animals that died in a questionable way than to feed them ground up toxic
flea collars and unmetabolized fatal IV solutions. You are so adamant about
purity, food and diets, yet suggest feeding them ground up chemical poison
and toxic injectable solutions. You DID take a lot of acid, didn't you?
Come on, admit it.

Steve

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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In article ,
SteveB wrote:
Gawd, it's like us with Lawn Darts, SpudGuns and BB guns. How did we all
survive before modern times and all these geniuses among us?

Typically, "we" didn't, dying young of things that are
easily treated now.

Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

I have been to cemeteries in old mining towns of the west. It is amazing
the number of children there, and their causes of death. They died of
things that today we'd run to the corner drug store and spend $10, and
they'd be fine. Stuff like Pedialyte, Children's Tylenol, Kaopectate, etc.
So sad.

Steve

SteveB wrote:

I think I have the same problem as most pet owners. I want it to look good
enough so that I want to eat it. I confess those pictures and names on that
canned stuff makes me want to taste it when no one is looking.


Innova Evo Canned 95% Meat looks and smells good enough that I could eat
it...

I don't feed canned but I keep a couple cans of that around for the
occasion that it is helpful.

Nick

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Many times farms have
animals that died but are not diseased and they are much better to feed
than that kibble full of chemicals and roadkill that is not fresh.

And what did these non-diseased animals die of?

I've had a farm. And the only animals that didn't die of disease died when
they were taken to the butcher and shot.

Healthy animals don't just up and die.

Oh, and the one that went to the butcher? NOT full of chemicals or drugs
that would affect the meat. There's a legal waiting period after
administering such drugs before the animal can be butchered.

And if you know of a farm that is claiming that they have healthy animals
that have died and that you can come on down and get the meat, I'd suggest
that you stay very far away from them.

Judy

In article ,
Judy wrote:
And if you know of a farm that is claiming that they have healthy animals
that have died and that you can come on down and get the meat, I'd suggest
that you stay very far away from them.

I thought this was a really interesting discussion:
http://www.sleddogcentral.com/forum/...?TOPIC_ID=9351
Note that the person saying "Go ahead" is a dairy cattle
nutritionist and is in a better position than a lot of us to
evaluate the safety of feeding a downed cow to her dogs.
The guy who said "I did it and it almost killed my dogs" is
the son of an Iditarod champion and himself an extremely
experienced musher who's been working with his dad at their
shared kennel for years, and is also very knowledgeable.
I.e. you've got someone who knows her stuff saying "Okay"
and someone who knows his stuff saying "No way."

I figure that I don't know what I don't know about this
stuff and don't have the background to judge whether or not
a downer cow is going to be safe for my dogs.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

SteveB wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...
SteveB wrote:
"(null)" wrote


Dianne (who has no claim to being "a nutrition expert", just
decades of experience with lots and lots of dogs)
Since you are one of the few here who claims NOT to be a nutrition
expert, I will ask you specifically: what are three kinds of kibble I
should be considering changing to? If I cut the canned stuff, I can
definitely improve the kibble, and just add some broth. Or is the
broth bad, or even necessary.

I think I have the same problem as most pet owners. I want it to look
good enough so that I want to eat it. I confess those pictures and
names on that canned stuff makes me want to taste it when no one is
looking. Then my dogs shatter my impression of them and eat something
totally disgusting, and I think, "What the hell am I worrying about
kibble/can food/broth proportions for? I'll just get them some rotten
dead deer!"

Steve
Some people do feed road kill if it's fresh. It can be part of a species
appropriate diet. Others get deer and other animals from hunters, either
whole or in parts. And some make deals with local farmers to aquire
animals that have died.
I have heard that deer fat makes excellent bird suet, even raw. If it's
good for dogs, I'm in prime territory, as right now, there's five dead
deer out on the Interstate. They're all blown to smithereens, but the
dogs won't notice. I'll check with food and game. Oh, yeah. I'll also
ask around for diseased cattle, horse, and swine.

Feed my dogs dead farm animals? Where do you get this stuff? Did you
take acid when you were young? A lot?

Steve

Steve
Dead farm animals are in kibble anyway. So are euthanized pets, along with
their flea collars and whatever drugs were used to put them down.

If I hit a deer it's going home with me.

And please, if you have to put words in my mouth in order to trash me then
you haven't really disputed what I actually did say. Many times farms have
animals that died but are not diseased and they are much better to feed
than that kibble full of chemicals and roadkill that is not fresh.

Please work on broadening your vocabulary and verbalizing better.

That won't work when you can't read for content.

To deal
directly with your words, I would no more likely feed my dogs flesh of
animals that died in a questionable way than to feed them ground up toxic
flea collars and unmetabolized fatal IV solutions. You are so adamant about
purity, food and diets, yet suggest feeding them ground up chemical poison
and toxic injectable solutions. You DID take a lot of acid, didn't you?
Come on, admit it.

Steve



Can't attack my words so you flame me. Yeah, you definitely belong here
with the other wierdos.

I never suggested feeding them chemicals and toxic solutions.

If you feed most kibbles you are feeding rendered, rotten farm animals
and euthanized pets.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
If you feed most kibbles you are feeding rendered, rotten farm animals
and euthanized pets.

We know when you're making stuff up.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
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I figure that I don't know what I don't know about this
stuff and don't have the background to judge whether or not
a downer cow is going to be safe for my dogs.

And you are in the same position as each of those experts - except that you
recognize it.

Experts sometimes think they have knowledge and background that is not
always as complete as they think it is. Just because it has never happened
to you doesn't mean that you aren't taking a risk every time you do
something.

Saying a little penicillin isn't a problem? Except that it's in the meat
and you are then feeding it to your dogs in an uncontrolled, unknown dosage.
Okay, probably not a problem. But what if the farmer said "penicillin" and
it was some other antibiotic? There are a couple that Spenser is allergic
to.

The person who suggests just looking at the meat and believing that is
enough to tell? Uh-huh.

If it were MY cow who had slipped and wasn't getting up again and I had
sufficient history of the animal, then I might take the risk. Then again,
we were living on a dairy farm often well below the poverty level and we
bought kibble for our dogs. Or they got the same meat that we were eating.

Judy