I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake. I would like to mix
some things in with his food, like rice, and perhaps some vegetables some
times when they are left over. I know it's best if I take him to the vet,
but surely there should be some standard items that one can feed most dogs
without major medical issues.

Help appreciated.

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
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I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake. I would like to mix
some things in with his food, like rice, and perhaps some vegetables some
times when they are left over. I know it's best if I take him to the vet,
but surely there should be some standard items that one can feed most dogs
without major medical issues.

Help appreciated.

Steve


My vet always puts dogs on ground meat that has been boiled and defatted and
brown rice after they have had stomach upsets. My dog was a rescued
dachshund and has a very sensitive digestive system. He gets mostly chicken
and greenbeans and carrots with some barley and oats. He also has dry food,
Pets Promise, that I read about in a newsgroup after the dog food scare
from China.

On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:45:11 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake. I would like to mix
some things in with his food, like rice, and perhaps some vegetables some
times when they are left over. I know it's best if I take him to the vet,
but surely there should be some standard items that one can feed most dogs
without major medical issues.

Help appreciated.

Steve


my guys do well with pumpkin (canned pure pack pumpkin)
boiled white rice
vet recommends chicken over beef even if I boil the beef
also green beans..


newfondly yours,

Nessa
----
Dog Mom to:
Hannah age 6.5 Pitador rescued age 9 weeks
Harley small shaggy cow that pretends he's a newfoundland rescued age 10 months
(Angel) Bagel went to Rainbow Bridge 9/18/08 my Newfandstuff age 8.5

Nessa wrote:
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:45:11 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:

I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake. I would like to mix
some things in with his food, like rice, and perhaps some vegetables some
times when they are left over. I know it's best if I take him to the vet,
but surely there should be some standard items that one can feed most dogs
without major medical issues.

Help appreciated.

Steve


my guys do well with pumpkin (canned pure pack pumpkin)
boiled white rice
vet recommends chicken over beef even if I boil the beef
also green beans..


Vet doesn't know chicken is deficient in zinc and iron as compared to beef?

Oh, and there is no reason to feed a dog rice or vegetables. It takes up
space that could be filled with red meat.

Of course it doesn't help when your dog was killed because of severe
neck injuries. At least it saves money on dog food.

Good Grief Beet, don't you have anything better to do with your time than to
spew your crap on UseNet?
Maybe read a book or two.
Or get laid.
Either one, will probably help you immensely.

SteveB wrote:

I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake.

Mmmmm. OK. Couple of questions right off the bat he

1) What exactly do you mean by "sensitive digestion"? Does he vomit
frequently? If so, what is the vomit like: clear or yellow fluid,
or does it have food in it? When is he likely to vomit? OTOH, if
you mean he's prone to diarrhea, when is that most likely to
occur?

2) What's his base diet? What feeding schedule is he on - free-fed,
once a day, twice a day? How often does he get treats or people
food?

3) Is he at a good weight, or is he over- or under-weight? Take a
look at http://www.placervillevet.com/canine...0condition.htm
and use that as a basis for comparison.

4) Probably most important: why did your vet "advise to watch his
fat intake"? Is it because he has a weight problem, or does he
have a history of problems when he's eaten fatty foods? If the
latter, what sort of problems?

I would like to mix some things in with his food, like rice, and
perhaps some vegetables some times when they are left over.

OK, so that leads to 5) What's your major motivation for wanting to
add leftovers to his food? Just to put the leftovers to productive
use? Because he loves them so much? Because you feel the need to
supplement his diet? Keep in mind that if you feed him leftovers
and they cause him problems, it may be a case of "killing him with
kindness".

All that being said, major no-nos when adding people food to your
dog's include the following:

* Anything containing onions and/or garlic, even a small amount.
These are associated with a severe problem called autoimmune
hemolytic anema, which is often fatal.

* Chocolate (but you probably knew that already)

* Anything really fatty - for instance, chicken or turkey skin.
These can cause a very serious problem called pancreatitis.

* Raisins and grapes. They can cause acute kidney failure.

Things that are OK in moderation include:

* Defatted meat - for instance, boiled ground chicken, turkey or
hamburger that's been allowed to cool and then the fat skimmed
off. Small amounts of cooked chicken with the skin removed or
bits of steak with the fat cut off are OK too.

* Rice

* Cooked eggs

* Most veggies. Green beans and pumpkin in particular can be
helpful in taking weight off a dog, as they add bulk without
a lot of additional calories when used as a supplement to
kibble. (Please note: when I say "pumpkin", that means plain
canned pumpkin, or roasted or boiled pumpkins from the produce
section - NOT canned pumpkin pie filling!)

Anyway, if you can answer the five questions I posed in the first
part of my post, that would be helpful in making further diet
recommendations for you - er, that is, for your dog :-).

HTH,

Dianne

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SteveB wrote:

I have a Pembroke, 6 yrs old, and a Rott/Lab mix. My corgie has
sensitive
digestion. My vet advised to watch his fat intake.

Mmmmm. OK. Couple of questions right off the bat he

1) What exactly do you mean by "sensitive digestion"? Does he vomit
frequently? If so, what is the vomit like: clear or yellow fluid,
or does it have food in it? When is he likely to vomit? OTOH, if
you mean he's prone to diarrhea, when is that most likely to
occur?

2) What's his base diet? What feeding schedule is he on - free-fed,
once a day, twice a day? How often does he get treats or people
food?

3) Is he at a good weight, or is he over- or under-weight? Take a
look at http://www.placervillevet.com/canine...0condition.htm
and use that as a basis for comparison.

4) Probably most important: why did your vet "advise to watch his
fat intake"? Is it because he has a weight problem, or does he
have a history of problems when he's eaten fatty foods? If the
latter, what sort of problems?

I would like to mix some things in with his food, like rice, and
perhaps some vegetables some times when they are left over.

OK, so that leads to 5) What's your major motivation for wanting to
add leftovers to his food? Just to put the leftovers to productive
use? Because he loves them so much? Because you feel the need to
supplement his diet? Keep in mind that if you feed him leftovers
and they cause him problems, it may be a case of "killing him with
kindness".

All that being said, major no-nos when adding people food to your
dog's include the following:

* Anything containing onions and/or garlic, even a small amount.
These are associated with a severe problem called autoimmune
hemolytic anema, which is often fatal.

* Chocolate (but you probably knew that already)

* Anything really fatty - for instance, chicken or turkey skin.
These can cause a very serious problem called pancreatitis.

* Raisins and grapes. They can cause acute kidney failure.

Things that are OK in moderation include:

* Defatted meat - for instance, boiled ground chicken, turkey or
hamburger that's been allowed to cool and then the fat skimmed
off. Small amounts of cooked chicken with the skin removed or
bits of steak with the fat cut off are OK too.

* Rice

* Cooked eggs

* Most veggies. Green beans and pumpkin in particular can be
helpful in taking weight off a dog, as they add bulk without
a lot of additional calories when used as a supplement to
kibble. (Please note: when I say "pumpkin", that means plain
canned pumpkin, or roasted or boiled pumpkins from the produce
section - NOT canned pumpkin pie filling!)

Anyway, if you can answer the five questions I posed in the first
part of my post, that would be helpful in making further diet
recommendations for you - er, that is, for your dog :-).

HTH,

Dianne

My dog suffers from diarrhea occasionally and constipation occasionally.
The vet he has had most of his life, a personal friend and a good vet, said
that anything fatty can give him pancreatitis, and is basically dangerous to
feed him. I feed him Pedigree kibble, with some canned Pedigree dog food
mixed in. I mix enough for the two dogs (#2 a 70# Lab/Rott mix), and as of
late, have been spooning his dish with more kibble and less meat from the
can. That is seeming to help. I have used pumpkin on him when he gets
bound up, and it releases him promptly. Since this last adjustment of
kibble/meat mix, he has done much better on his elimination.

One problem which I have not found a control over is him getting into the
cat's nuggets outside. Must be the cat is going now where they can't get
to, because he'd take that over a piece of raw liver. He doesn't smell like
that now, his breath is better, and with the frozen ground now, the cat
probably has moved over to the sand dunes outside the fence.

He rarely vomits. I feed them about half a portion in the morning, around
6AM, and a full portion about 6PM. Neither has had weight fluctuations, and
the vet says they are both trim, and not obese.

We do have table scraps all the time, but I am reluctant to give it to them.
I might be passing up perfectly good food for them. Just trying to become
better informed.

Thanks.

Steve

SteveB wrote:

My dog suffers from diarrhea occasionally and constipation occasionally.

OK, that's much better than "sensitive digestion" :-). Could the
diarrhea be at all stress-related? From what you say later on,
it possible that it might be cat-poop-intake related.

The vet he has had most of his life, a personal friend and a good vet, said
that anything fatty can give him pancreatitis, and is basically dangerous to
feed him.

That's true of all dogs, although some breeds are more prone to
pancreatitis than others.

I feed him Pedigree kibble, with some canned Pedigree dog food
mixed in.

Now, you KNOW we're going to tell you that Pedigree isn't a very
good food, right? :-) Usually I'd say "if it ain't broke, don't fix
it" but in this case you might consider trying a higher-grade food.

I mix enough for the two dogs (#2 a 70# Lab/Rott mix), and as of
late, have been spooning his dish with more kibble and less meat from the
can. That is seeming to help.

OK, you're being observant and adjusting as necessary; that's
great.

You do realize, though, that canned food is more for the owner's
benefit than for the dogs'? It "looks" meatier and therefore tastier,
but that's all psychological. It's mostly water and as a result is
relatively more expensive than kibble. You might well actually end
up saving money by feeding a higher-grade kibble and cutting out
the canned food altogether.

I have used pumpkin on him when he gets bound up, and it releases
him promptly.

Good. As I think I said before, pumpkin is high in fiber, so it's
actually good for both diarrhea AND constipation, just like eating
bran regularly is for humans. So you might want to consider supplementing
him with a tablespoon or two a day on a continual basis and see if that
makes any difference in his elimination problems.

BTW, while I'm giving you several different suggestions here -
try a higher grade of kibble, supplement with pumpkin, etc. - I am
definitely not suggesting you try all of them at once! Try one thing
for at least one month - two would be better - and see if that makes
any difference. Then adjust as necessary. If you change too many
dietary things at once, it would be asking for problems with ANY dog.

One problem which I have not found a control over is him getting into the
cat's nuggets outside. Must be the cat is going now where they can't get
to, because he'd take that over a piece of raw liver.

Ohhhhh yeah. Kitty poop is candy to dogs - they find it delicious in
part because of its high fat content, for what that's worth.

I feed them about half a portion in the morning, around 6AM, and a
full portion about 6PM. Neither has had weight fluctuations, and
the vet says they are both trim, and not obese.

Two meals a day is good. Not being obese is very good. Corgis tend
to be eat-till-you-burst dogs and can easily get overweight, so you're
obviously doing something right.

We do have table scraps all the time, but I am reluctant to give it
to them. I might be passing up perfectly good food for them.

Personally I think it's a better-safe-than-sorry kind of thing,
especially since you know that one of your dogs has issues with
diarrhea to start with. (My first Briard was very prone to stress
diarrhea and I'm the veteran of more trips outdoors in the middle
of the night than I like to think about! :-() I'm not going to say
that I've never put table scraps in my dogs' food - I definitely
have - but I'm careful about what I give them, it's an occasional
thing, and leftovers never make up more than, say, 10% of any given
meal. And with your Corgi's history, I'd be especially careful -
as I said, better safe than cleaning up diarrhea from a white
carpet. (Yep, BTDT...)

Just trying to become better informed.

:-) As we all should be. I too have learned a lot here. Good for
you for asking questions.

Dianne (who has no claim to being "a nutrition expert", just
decades of experience with lots and lots of dogs)

In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:


I think I have the same problem as most pet owners. I want it to look good
enough so that I want to eat it. I confess those pictures and names on that
canned stuff makes me want to taste it when no one is looking. Then my dogs
shatter my impression of them and eat something totally disgusting, and I
think, "What the hell am I worrying about kibble/can food/broth proportions
for? I'll just get them some rotten dead deer!"

I try not to think about what the dogs find appealing!

One of my dogs needs lower protein, so she eats JUST canned. Nothing
wrong with that (but it can get pricey I guess). My other 2 eat JUST
kibble. They also get various other things as treats - they love
grilled asparagus and green beans, fruit (especially apples!), yogurt,
cheese, etc.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:40:03 -0500, Janet Boss
wrote:

In article ,
"SteveB" wrote:


I think I have the same problem as most pet owners. I want it to look good
enough so that I want to eat it. I confess those pictures and names on that
canned stuff makes me want to taste it when no one is looking. Then my dogs
shatter my impression of them and eat something totally disgusting, and I
think, "What the hell am I worrying about kibble/can food/broth proportions
for? I'll just get them some rotten dead deer!"

I try not to think about what the dogs find appealing!

One of my dogs needs lower protein, so she eats JUST canned. Nothing
wrong with that (but it can get pricey I guess). My other 2 eat JUST
kibble. They also get various other things as treats - they love
grilled asparagus and green beans, fruit (especially apples!), yogurt,
cheese, etc.

my pups get kibble in the right amounts for their weight...
I add things sometimes like canned pumpkin yogurt and green beans...


newfondly yours,

Nessa
----
Dog Mom to:
Hannah age 6.5 Pitador rescued age 9 weeks
Harley small shaggy cow that pretends he's a newfoundland rescued age 10 months
(Angel) Bagel went to Rainbow Bridge 9/18/08 my Newfandstuff age 8.5