elegy wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:23:03 -0500, chardonnay9
wrote:

Cheri wrote:
Hi All, My dog Sophie (11 year old pit bull/chow mix) is going to have a
fairly large cyst removed from her side tomorrow, and I'm wondering if
there is anything I should ask the vet about after care. The vet has
been watching the cyst for several months and decided to remove it now.
Sophie does have regular vet visits, but she has been a very healthy
dog, so I don't really have a lot of experience with various pain meds,
antibiotics, etc. She did pull a muscle several years ago and was given
Rimadyl, but I don't think it helped that much.
Rimadyl is dangerous for dogs and I'd never allow my dogs to have it.
Too many alternatives out there to risk it.

Indeed, Pfizer was sued over what Rimadyl did to pets.

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...itsettled.html
http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/...deEffects.html
http://www.sueeasy.com/class_action_...hp?case_id=228

and mcdonalds was sued because some genius spilled hot coffee in her
crotch.

there's a website called "sue easy"? why does that not surprise me?



I guess you don't know enough about law to know the difference between
one person suing and a class action lawsuit involving hundreds.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
I guess you don't know enough about law to know the difference between
one person suing and a class action lawsuit involving hundreds.

I do! I frequently (about 1x/month) get solicitations to
participate in some of the most dumb-assed class action
suits you've ever seen.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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I guess you don't know enough about law to know the difference between
one person suing and a class action lawsuit involving hundreds.

And you apparently don't know enough to understand that being sued, and
even *settling*, are not the same thing as the case going to trial and a
judgment being made. The case was settled out of court, and Pfizer did
not admit liability.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
I guess you don't know enough about law to know the difference between
one person suing and a class action lawsuit involving hundreds.

I do! I frequently (about 1x/month) get solicitations to
participate in some of the most dumb-assed class action
suits you've ever seen.

Well that would suit you since you are a dumb ass.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Well that would suit you since you are a dumb ass.

Well, I don't know. But I do know that the point you were
trying to make, which is that class action suits are somehow
more credible than individually-filed lawsuits, is
incorrect.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

On 7 Jan 2009 10:02:24 -0500, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Well that would suit you since you are a dumb ass.

Well, I don't know. But I do know that the point you were
trying to make, which is that class action suits are somehow
more credible than individually-filed lawsuits, is
incorrect.

Yep. And the difference between an individual plaintiff and a class
is more about lawyers than 'the law'.

elegy wrote:


all of our dog surgeries at work start rimadyl the day before coming
in for surgery (provided they don't have any significant health issues
that would make rimadyl contraindicated for them). occasionally we'll
see gastro-intestinal upset from it, but that resolves with stopping
the medication. we've never seen a serious side-effect. and it
definitely makes a difference in their pain levels, which is the
bottom line.


Rimadyl has helped millions of dogs. Dreamer, who had wobblers, took it
daily for years and years. Never a problem. Ever. Some dogs do have
effects from it. Labs seem to be more susceptible than some others.
OTOH, a friend of mine tried Etogesic, the supposedly "much safer" drug
for her lab. It left her with dry-eye which lasted the rest of her life.
Almost all of the new pain relievers are some sort of NSAID, and all can
have side effects. There's no such thing as a medication without side
effects, including "all natural" stuff that I'm sure Chard thinks is the
only answer. After all, if a medicine had no effects, it wouldn't' work.

On Jan 7, 1:06*pm, Robin Nuttall wrote:
elegy wrote:
all of our dog surgeries at work start rimadyl the day before coming
in for surgery (provided they don't have any significant health issues
that would make rimadyl contraindicated for them). occasionally we'll
see gastro-intestinal upset from it, but that resolves with stopping
the medication. we've never seen a serious side-effect. and it
definitely makes a difference in their pain levels, which is the
bottom line.

Rimadyl has helped millions of dogs. Dreamer, who had wobblers, took it
daily for years and years. Never a problem. Ever. Some dogs do have
effects from it. Labs seem to be more susceptible than some others.
OTOH, a friend of mine tried Etogesic, the supposedly "much safer" drug
for her lab. It left her with dry-eye which lasted the rest of her life.
Almost all of the new pain relievers are some sort of NSAID, and all can
have side effects. There's no such thing as a medication without side
effects, including "all natural" stuff that I'm sure Chard thinks is the
only answer. After all, if a medicine had no effects, it wouldn't' work.

there seems to be some problems with it with Newfs too. espcially
black newfs.

elegy wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 08:18:39 -0500, "Shelly"
wrote:

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...

Rimadyl is dangerous for dogs
Rimadyl is actually pretty safe. The risks are minute (.02% Rimadyl
related deaths), and generally affect senior dogs (70% of the .02%
affected are geriatric). Cheri's dog is a senior (as is mine), but if
it were me, I'd still give it to my dog. I'd rather take my vet's
advice over that of a Usenet crank, any day of the week.

luce takes it as needed for her knees, but i'm sure she'll get to the
point that she'll need daily pain meds. she's never had a problem with
the rimadyl, even during the periods when she's taken it daily
(post-op). she's had no changes in her bloodwork over the past two
years that she's been on it. i'm happy. she's definitely happier with
the meds than without.

all of our dog surgeries at work start rimadyl the day before coming
in for surgery (provided they don't have any significant health issues
that would make rimadyl contraindicated for them). occasionally we'll
see gastro-intestinal upset from it, but that resolves with stopping
the medication. we've never seen a serious side-effect. and it
definitely makes a difference in their pain levels, which is the
bottom line.



And so because you say so and because you haven't personally seen it,
Rimadyl just *must* be safe!

"(null)" wrote in message
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Cheri wrote:

Does anyone have recommendations or things I should ask the vet? The cyst
removal will be in a spot that she can't reach with her mouth if that
matters with pain management. TIA

Very smart of you to ask. You can call your vet now and ask what
s/he is planning for post-op pain management. Personally I'm a
big fan of Fentanyl patches for post-op pain relief; they're a
narcotic that's absorbed through the skin and so provide continuous
pain relief and not the ups & downs that oral drugs do. If that's
an option, it's definitely the one that I would go for.

Depending on the size, location, attachment of the 'lump', post operative
pain meds may or may not be appropriate. I'd leave it up to the vet to
decide. My old boy (13 year old lab) had a wart on the back of his head
removed, as well as a dental extraction, we stuck with pre-operative
analgesia. He was a little down in the dumps afterwards, but I wouldn't say
it was sufficient to warrant narcotic (after all, do you give yourself
narcotics when you stub your toe?). I'm a definite believer in pain
management, *but* it needs to be a measured response. (I'd been given the
option of giving him some meloxicam if I felt it warranted it, as I had some
at home, but I didn't feel it was warranted.)


Oh - another question to ask is the kind of anesthesia the vet
is going to use. Gas anesthesia is most typical these days and
has minimal side effects. Injectable anesthesias (with the
exception of propofol, which is very short-acting and thus is
only used for very quick procedures)

I wouldn't say 'only' used for quick procedures, as I'm of the impression
you can continuously 'top up' the anesthetic through the procedure.

Hope that helps, and good luck to Sophie with her surgery.
Please post us a followup, OK?

Ditto! I'm sure Sophie will be fine.

Dale