Well if you don't want to use the kennel for this then I would put her
somewhere she will be alone, like in another room by herself where she isn't
getting any attention. The idea is to take away the attention and play
thing. Once she calms down bring her out again and if she acts up again put
her back, repeat as necessary. You could even have this be another room
with a gate if you don't have door to close. If she sits and whines simply
ignore her till she's calm. She'll soon learn that the unwanted behavior
gets her time alone with no one to play.

When you do play don't encourage anything where she uses her mouth in close
proximity to your hands (like tug). If you play ball when she returns it
work on swapping the ball for a treat with the command "give me" or "drop
it" One of the most important things to learn since it could save her life
someday if she has something in her mouth that could harm her.

She is a cutie,,,,,,,,,,, the face & chest look like they could be lab, not
sure about the back end of her though.

Celeste

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"Mac Cool" wrote in message
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Spot:

For now when she gets rough I would give her a good strong NO and put
her in her kennel till she settles down and keep at it every time it
happens.


I'm getting mixed advice on this. Some people say not to put her in her
crate for a time out because she may associate the crate with punishment
while others recommend doing it. I'm a bit confused. This is the first dog
with which I've used a crate.

diddy:

Take her to obedience, and don't be bashful about addressing the
reason you are there. A competent trainer will help you fix it. If
they don't..... go find a keyword COMPETENT /keyword trainer.
[petsmart or petco will probably not get it done]

Thanks.


I read up on NILIF after seeing it another post. I started on this today
and she responded extremely well, only one minor incident where she
mouthed my daughter's hair. Basically we have taken complete control and
she is not allowed to eat, poop or play, nothing, without permission. I
thought it would be a big downer but it doesn't seem to phase her and her
behavior was better. We're still going to attend obedience classes. The
downside is I really am not the kind of person that likes to micro-manage
behavior.

"Mac Cool" wrote in message
...

I'm getting mixed advice on this.

This is why working with a trainer is a good idea. That said, I have
used the crate for time-outs. It's not meant to punish the dog, and
I've not had problems with my dog making a bad association with her
crate*. I've always used time-outs pretty literally, crating her just
long enough for her to settle down. As soon as she's calm, she gets to
come back out. Also FWIW, these are always with the crate door open.
Since I also send her to her crate to wait for meals and treats, she's
pretty happy to comply with the crate command.

*Quite the contrary. She goes to her crate when she's stressed, so she
clearly sees it as a safe, secure, good place.

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On 10 Jan 2009 03:49:14 GMT, Mac Cool wrote:

Alison:

What is she crossed with by the way?

I would love to know. She looks very labish, but she has some white, with
a little black on her muzzle and tail. The black has darkened since this
picture. Her tail curls over her back.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/...ym_ac887a7.jpg

The vet believes she is lab/border collie and the markings do resemble a
border collie but I don't remember collie's tails curling over their
backs. Her hair is very short and bristly; and I haven't seen any herding
instinct at all. Her activity level is low-med, characterized by short
bursts of energy followed by long naps. Her behavior is very lab-like.


I'm not very good at this but my first thought was Beagle.

she's a cutie..

newfondly yours,

Nessa
----
Dog Mom to:
Hannah age 6.5 Pitador rescued age 9 weeks
Harley small shaggy cow that pretends he's a newfoundland rescued age 10 months
(Angel) Bagel went to Rainbow Bridge 9/18/08 my Newfandstuff age 8.5

On 10 Jan 2009 08:00:35 GMT, Mac Cool wrote:

diddy:

Take her to obedience, and don't be bashful about addressing the
reason you are there. A competent trainer will help you fix it. If
they don't..... go find a keyword COMPETENT /keyword trainer.
[petsmart or petco will probably not get it done]

Thanks.


I read up on NILIF after seeing it another post. I started on this today
and she responded extremely well, only one minor incident where she
mouthed my daughter's hair. Basically we have taken complete control and
she is not allowed to eat, poop or play, nothing, without permission. I
thought it would be a big downer but it doesn't seem to phase her and her
behavior was better. We're still going to attend obedience classes. The
downside is I really am not the kind of person that likes to micro-manage
behavior.


yeah but once it's taught and it's ingrained you don't have to micro
manage.... it's a short term action to achieve long term results.

newfondly yours,

Nessa
----
Dog Mom to:
Hannah age 6.5 Pitador rescued age 9 weeks
Harley small shaggy cow that pretends he's a newfoundland rescued age 10 months
(Angel) Bagel went to Rainbow Bridge 9/18/08 my Newfandstuff age 8.5

Nessa spoke these words of wisdom in
:

On 10 Jan 2009 08:00:35 GMT, Mac Cool wrote:

diddy:

Take her to obedience, and don't be bashful about addressing the
reason you are there. A competent trainer will help you fix it. If
they don't..... go find a keyword COMPETENT /keyword trainer.
[petsmart or petco will probably not get it done]

Thanks.


I read up on NILIF after seeing it another post. I started on this today
and she responded extremely well, only one minor incident where she
mouthed my daughter's hair. Basically we have taken complete control and
she is not allowed to eat, poop or play, nothing, without permission. I
thought it would be a big downer but it doesn't seem to phase her and
her behavior was better. We're still going to attend obedience classes.
The downside is I really am not the kind of person that likes to
micro-manage behavior.


yeah but once it's taught and it's ingrained you don't have to micro
manage.... it's a short term action to achieve long term results.


Exactly. it's very effective too.

Mac Cool wrote:

Alison:


What is she crossed with by the way?


I would love to know. She looks very labish, but she has some white, with
a little black on her muzzle and tail. The black has darkened since this
picture. Her tail curls over her back.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/...ym_ac887a7.jpg

The vet believes she is lab/border collie and the markings do resemble a
border collie but I don't remember collie's tails curling over their
backs. Her hair is very short and bristly; and I haven't seen any herding
instinct at all. Her activity level is low-med, characterized by short
bursts of energy followed by long naps. Her behavior is very lab-like.

She's cute but I don't see any BC in that dog. Every BC X Lab mix I've
ever seen was black and white and the tail was carried low in a J-shape.
Expression of herding behaviors varies even among full BCs but usually
there's some...

There was a lab, "Snake", in our neighborhood who produced three large
litters with a local BC. The pups were all over the chart,
appearance-wise. All were bright, more or less good-natured and
extremely active. And a substantial percent of them combined the BCs
OCD tendencies with the Lab's pica. Enough of them were drywall-eating
terrors when left unsupervised that the mention of that particular mix
still gives me serious pause.

Snake's babies were legendary throughout the county for feats including
gnawing to freedom through the exterior wall of a laundry room,
consuming an entire 20 lb frozen turkey, ripping off and eating the
rubber gasket from a two-car garage door, demolishing a cedar privacy
fence (but remaining in the yard), and consuming an entire pair of
levis, zipper and all (that one required surgery).

"Kathleen" wrote in message
...
Mac Cool wrote:

Alison:


What is she crossed with by the way?


I would love to know. She looks very labish, but she has some white,
with a little black on her muzzle and tail. The black has darkened since
this picture. Her tail curls over her back.

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/...ym_ac887a7.jpg

The vet believes she is lab/border collie and the markings do resemble a
border collie but I don't remember collie's tails curling over their
backs. Her hair is very short and bristly; and I haven't seen any
herding instinct at all. Her activity level is low-med, characterized by
short bursts of energy followed by long naps. Her behavior is very
lab-like.

She's cute but I don't see any BC in that dog. Every BC X Lab mix I've
ever seen was black and white and the tail was carried low in a J-shape.
Expression of herding behaviors varies even among full BCs but usually
there's some...

There was a lab, "Snake", in our neighborhood who produced three large
litters with a local BC. The pups were all over the chart,
appearance-wise. All were bright, more or less good-natured and
extremely active. And a substantial percent of them combined the BCs OCD
tendencies with the Lab's pica. Enough of them were drywall-eating
terrors when left unsupervised that the mention of that particular mix
still gives me serious pause.

Snake's babies were legendary throughout the county for feats including
gnawing to freedom through the exterior wall of a laundry room, consuming
an entire 20 lb frozen turkey, ripping off and eating the rubber gasket
from a two-car garage door, demolishing a cedar privacy fence (but
remaining in the yard), and consuming an entire pair of levis, zipper and
all (that one required surgery).

She looks to be a reincarnation of Marley! Uh-oh!

Paul and Muttley

Diddy said (in part)
It is highly unlikely that this is a physical or hard wired behavior.
This is common to a lot of dogs.
___________________________
Mac Cool,
I totally agree with Diddy. She is still a puppy and it doesn't sound
like she has had any structure in her young life. She has been shuttled
in and out of homes for whatever reasons.

I have ulterior motives as I do not want her sent back to the SPCA
becausse every time she is returned makes her less adoptable obviously.

Training is the key and as Diddy said in an earlier post be sure to tell
the trainer of her behavior in the event that she doesn't exhibit it
while at a training session.

The only thing I have to add is that though I believe she can be taught
to behave and can be trained not to nip. Please be sure to protect your
children until she is trained. Her behavior could escalate and whether
it does or not being nipped could harm them or at the least instill a
fear of her and dogs in general.

Good Luck!


Be Free.....Judy

Mac Cool said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I
thought it would be a big downer but it doesn't seem to
phase her and her behavior was better.

Well defined boundaries can be a source of security for many
dogs. If you're consistent in establishing appropriate
boundaries, much of NILIF can be phased out, though I think it's
good--for a number of reasons--to maintain controls such as
"wait" before a dog goes out the door or jumps out of a car.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.