Hello to all

Our 13 year old friend was diagnosed by the vet as having a large tumor
in the spleen.
He has not been feeling well for a few weeks, and a few days ago stopped
eating his hard food, and then stopped eating all together. He started
getting lethargic and urinating in the house.
They took a blood count, and his white cells were sky high, and his
blood volume was slightly low.
The vet took an xray, and it showed a large tumor on the spleen.
In the xray, it looked as big as a fist.
He said if he did surgury and it hadnt spread to his liver, there is a
chance of our friend living for another year or so.
We agreed if the cancer had spread, to put him to sleep during surgery.
The Doctor took the spleen out, and said he saw no spread to the
liver, but another part, I never heard of, he said had a thick coating
around it, and he biopsied it.
He plans on putting our friend of chemotherapy. He said one injection
every three weeks for five weeks.
We dont know what to expect, but the doc, said its possible for him,
to maybee have a good quality of life for a while, if things stay in our
favor.
We have never had a pet (and this is our sixth dog) to get sick in
this fashion.
What may we expect when we go to pick him up tomorrow?
Anyone else go through something like this.
Its very sad, he has been a true and loyal dog. The best we ever
had. And it pained him, to relieve himself in the house. But he actually
went and did it in the bathroom floor on the bath mat, when he had to.
We did not realize he was ill, but I guess he realized it.

Thanks for any info.

J.Lef wrote:
Hello to all

Our 13 year old friend was diagnosed by the vet as having a large tumor
in the spleen.
He has not been feeling well for a few weeks, and a few days ago stopped
eating his hard food, and then stopped eating all together. He started
getting lethargic and urinating in the house.
They took a blood count, and his white cells were sky high, and his
blood volume was slightly low.
The vet took an xray, and it showed a large tumor on the spleen.
In the xray, it looked as big as a fist.
He said if he did surgury and it hadnt spread to his liver, there is a
chance of our friend living for another year or so.
We agreed if the cancer had spread, to put him to sleep during surgery.
The Doctor took the spleen out, and said he saw no spread to the
liver, but another part, I never heard of, he said had a thick coating
around it, and he biopsied it.
He plans on putting our friend of chemotherapy. He said one injection
every three weeks for five weeks.
We dont know what to expect, but the doc, said its possible for him,
to maybee have a good quality of life for a while, if things stay in our
favor.
We have never had a pet (and this is our sixth dog) to get sick in
this fashion.
What may we expect when we go to pick him up tomorrow?
Anyone else go through something like this.
Its very sad, he has been a true and loyal dog. The best we ever
had. And it pained him, to relieve himself in the house. But he actually
went and did it in the bathroom floor on the bath mat, when he had to.
We did not realize he was ill, but I guess he realized it.

Thanks for any info.

It is still not too late! Please join this group for lots of great help
dealing with this situation.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/O...soup_for_Pets/

They use alopathic and alternative methods of many kinds to heal pets.
It's a great way to learn what others are doing and what seems to be
working.

Chemo may not be the right answer. Please ask on that group about your
situation.

chardonnay9 wrote:

It is still not too late! Please join this group for lots of great help
dealing with this situation.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/O...soup_for_Pets/

Oleander is one of the most poisonous plants known and many
people and pets have died from it. For unbiased information
from a reputable source about the reputed "oleander soup
cure for cancer", please see the article on the American
Cancer Society's web site:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/co...ander_Leaf.asp

Dianne

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chardonnay9 wrote:
It is still not too late! Please join this group for lots of great help
dealing with this situation.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/O...soup_for_Pets/

Oleander is one of the most poisonous plants known and many
people and pets have died from it. For unbiased information

What makes you think that information is unbiased?

from a reputable source about the reputed "oleander soup
cure for cancer", please see the article on the American
Cancer Society's web site:

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/co...ander_Leaf.asp

Dianne

When it is raw it is poisonous. Once it's boiled down and strained it is
not. From your link:

"Although this plant is poisonous, products made from oleander have been
used for centuries as herbal medicine. Historical records show that the
Mesopotamians in the 15th century BC believed in the healing properties
of oleander."

It has another great use as well. It's great because it either
eliminates or greatly lessens ALL known side effects of chemo and
lessens those of radiation (with the lone exception being hair loss when
the chemo drug of choice is Cisplatin).

Oleander is compatible with virtually all medicines and chemo - with the
only exceptions being digoxin/digitalis and blood thinning agents such
as Warfarin and Coumadin, in which case it should be used with caution
or under the direction of a medical professional.
http://www.cancertutor.com/Cancer02/Oleander.html

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=909501#i
http://www.tbyil.com/Newman_Studies.htm

chardonnay9 wrote:

When it is raw it is poisonous. Once it's boiled down and strained it is
not.

Driggers DA, Solbrig R, Steiner JF, Swedberg J, Jewell GS. "Acute
oleander poisoning. A suicide attempt in a geriatric patient."
Western Journal of Medicine, 1989 December; 151(6): 660662.

"All parts of the [oleander] plant contain cardiac glycosides,
including the roots and the smoke produced by burning, as heat
does not inactivate the glycosides." Full text at
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1026761

Haynes BE, Bessen HA, Wightman WD. "Oleander tea: herbal draught of death."
Annals of Emergency Medicine, 1985 Apr;14(4):350-3.

"A woman died after drinking herbal tea prepared from oleander (Nerium
oleander) leaves. This case demonstrates the cross-reactivity between
the cardiac glycosides in oleander and the digoxin radioimmunoassay.
Digoxin-specific Fab antibody fragments have not been used in oleander
poisoning, but these might prove to be lifesaving. Treatment of oleander
toxicity is aimed at controlling arrhythmias and hyperkalemia;
inactivation of the Na-K ATPase pump, however, can make treatment
difficult." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4039113

Dasgupta A, Cao S, Wells A. "Activated charcoal is effective but
equilibrium dialysis is ineffective in removing oleander leaf extract
and oleandrin from human serum: Monitoring the effect by measuring
apparent digoxin concentration." Therapeutic Drug Monitoring, 2003,
vol. 25, no3, pp. 323-330.

"Accidental poisoning from oleander leaf or oleander tea can be life
threatening. The authors studied the effectiveness of activated
charcoal and equilibrium dialysis in removing oleander leaf extract
and commercially available oleandrin as well as oleandrigenin, the
active components of oleander plant, from human serum."
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=14852428

Your ignorance is extremely disturbing and dangerous, Chardonnay.

Dianne

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
"Although this plant is poisonous, products made from oleander have been
used for centuries as herbal medicine. Historical records show that the
Mesopotamians in the 15th century BC believed in the healing properties
of oleander."

Arsenic, too. Killed a bunch of people. Oops.

To the original poster: "chardonnay" is a crank who passes
out extremely dangerous veterinary advice. "Dangerous," as
in "will kill your dog."
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

chardonnay9 wrote in
:

"Although this plant is poisonous, products made from oleander
have been used for centuries as herbal medicine.

And for centuries, women painted their faces with lead-based
cosmetics, to lighten their skin. Turns out, that's not such a good
idea.

Historical records show that the Mesopotamians in the 15th century
BC believed in the healing properties of oleander."

They also believed in the healing power of amulets, and that human
diseases were caused by evil spirits.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Shelly wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote in
:

"Although this plant is poisonous, products made from oleander
have been used for centuries as herbal medicine.

And for centuries, women painted their faces with lead-based
cosmetics, to lighten their skin. Turns out, that's not such a good
idea.

Historical records show that the Mesopotamians in the 15th century
BC believed in the healing properties of oleander."

They also believed in the healing power of amulets, and that human
diseases were caused by evil spirits.


Since it's been used for all those centuries and is still being used
doesn't that tell you something? Pulling up a few Googled comments does
not negate that in any way.

I've made some and taken it myself and given it to other people too.
Nobody died, nobody got sick. Some have gotten better and shared their
stories.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/oleandersoup/

This group is the original one, aimed at people. Anyone that reads it in
a critically thinking way will see all the posts from people who are
using it to help themselves.

That person is obviously not you. You have no interest in actually
looking into alternative medicine, reading about success stories,
reading about studies and how they are progressing.

Too bad you are so brainwashed that you can conceive of medicines that
work and were not produced by Big Pharma. Big Pharma doesn't want a
cancer cure. It would cost them billions. That is why they hide what is
really going on, post fake horror stories, try to outlaw what they can't
control even if it's something that works, outright lie and use the
government to stay on top of the mountain that is the pharmaceutical
kingdom.

chardonnay9 wrote in
m:

Since it's been used for all those centuries and is still being
used doesn't that tell you something?

People still believe in the healing power of amulets, and there are
still people who believ that human diseases are caused by evil
spirits.

Pulling up a few Googled
comments does not negate that in any way.

I didn't "pull up a few Googled comments."

I've made some and taken it myself and given it to other people
too.

It's one thing to be reckless and stupid with your own life, but when
you take those sorts of chances with others' lives, there are serious
penalties when it goes pear shaped. You have no business urging
people to use potentially deadly home remedies, nor should you advise
people to give them to their dogs. For one thing, even if it *were*
safe for people, that doesn't mean it won't hurt or even kill a dog.

What you are doing is cruel to both humans and dogs.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Shelly wrote:


It's one thing to be reckless and stupid with your own life, but when
you take those sorts of chances with others' lives, there are serious
penalties when it goes pear shaped. You have no business urging
people to use potentially deadly home remedies, nor should you advise
people to give them to their dogs. For one thing, even if it *were*
safe for people, that doesn't mean it won't hurt or even kill a dog.

It's already been done, many times. Try doing a little *real* research
just once. You'd be amazed. If you had you'd know it isn't being
reckless at all.


What you are doing is cruel to both humans and dogs.


Based on all your experience with oleander soup I imagine... ROFLOL!

Try posting that on their groups once and you will figure out what truth is.

There are many alternative treatments for cancer out there. I bet you
don't know anything about any of them.