"Judy" wrote in message
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Or even better - a link that works........

http://www.theconservationagency.org...es_2006apr.htm

Judy

"Judy" wrote in message
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ARGHHH!!!! I wouldn't bother to fix it AGAIN but it was a pretty good
read......

http://www.theconservationagency.org..._2006apr12.htm

Shelly wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...

I don't pick it up either but I don't leave food out when I'm not home
either. Choking hazard.

But you *do* leave food out when you're home? I cannot imagine having
raw meat sitting around my house. Ugh.

But I don't feed vegetables, especially raw ones. Dogs don't get any
nutrition from them, you have to cook them to death to break down the
cell walls. No need to anyway. Dogs are carnivores and do great on
meat, bones and organ meat.

Dogs are actually omniverous. And they *like* fruits and veggies (will
drool for them, even), so I prefer to let them eat them.

It doesn't hurt them but it's taking up space that could have been meat.
Good idea for a fat dog maybe. Not needed at all though. Have a good
look at your dog's teeth and then look up what teeth look like on an
omnivore. They are not the same.


BTW, I'm reading your website and it says you crate the one dog all
day. I don't feel that is a good thing for any dog, especially one
that has had such a bad life. Get on with allowing her to have more
freedom if you can't be around to let her out every few hours.

That can be tricky with some dogs. I don't know what Shari's situation
is, but if a dog has separation anxiety, crating can be a literal life
saver. It can also be necessary if you have multiple dogs and one or
more is dog aggressive. And then there are dogs with pica. Leaving
them out, unattended, could be deadly.


Crating for more than a few brief hours here and there is abusive and
should never be done. If you can't be there please find it another home
where there will be people around most the time.

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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It doesn't hurt them but it's taking up space that could have been
meat.

No, it's not, actually, since I don't feed my dog meat.

Crating for more than a few brief hours here and there is abusive and
should never be done.

If it means the difference between life and death, then crating--even
all day--is absolutely the better option. And anyway, I'm not convinced
that making a dog sleep in a crate as opposed to spending the day
sleeping on my bed *is* abusive.

If you can't be there please find it another home where there will be
people around most the time.

That line of reasoning might make sense if we didn't kill millions of
dogs each year for want of homes.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

chardonnay9 wrote:

Oh, and here is

proof

Proof??? Proof??? you want proof, go read a math book.

The word you are looking for is "evidence". Except what you
offer isn't even evidence for the point you are trying to make,
much less "proof."

that they don't eat the stomach contents of their
prey unless it's something too small to bother with and since it's
documented that almost all their prey is large animals that would mean
they really don't get any fiber.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/7/1923S

Did you even read the abstract of the above article? Here, let
me quote this for you:

"Summer scat analysis reveals an increased variety in diet
compared with observed winter diets, including other ungulate
species, rodents, and vegetation."

And later in the article:

"In addition, plant matter is prevalent in wolves' summer diet,
with 392 (74%) of 530 scats analyzed containing some type of
plant material, largely grass (Graminae). This is consistent with
summer observations of wolves consuming grass and other plant
material."

And, "Immediately after killing an elk, wolves open the body
cavity, using their canines and incisors, and remove and consume
the internal organs such as the heart, lungs, liver,
_intestines_, spleen, and kidneys."

No fiber contained in intestines? You never examined the scat of
an ungulate?

In _Never Cry Wolf_, Farley Mowat documented that arctic wolves
consume large quantities of seed-eating mice - whole.

FurPaw
--
Don't believe everything that you think.

To reply, unleash the dog.

"Judy" wrote in message
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ARGHHH!!!! I wouldn't bother to fix it AGAIN but it was a pretty good
read......

http://www.theconservationagency.org..._2006apr12.htm

That one worked.

Also:

Control-c to copy
Control-v to paste

These shortcuts are your friend. If you were my mom, I'd tell you to
put them on a Post-It and stick it on you monitor (and maybe I'd have to
remind you that the Post-Its are in the drawer of the *other* desk).
And if you didn't, then I'd do it for you the next time I visited. Not
that I wouldn't love you dearly, regardless, and not that you wouldn't
understand that, even if it exasperated the crap out of you that I was
being a bossypants.

--
Shelly
http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship)
http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther)

Judy wrote:
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Oh, and here is proof that they don't eat the stomach contents of
their prey unless it's something too small to bother with and since
it's documented that almost all their prey is large animals that would
mean they really don't get any fiber.

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/136/7/1923S

You really don't read what you cite, do you? That is about wolves. I'm
pretty sure that my schnauzers aren't wolves - nor could they hunt in
the wild as a pack of wolves would.

Of course it's about wolves! They are a dog's closest relative.


Now to bring proof down to something closer to dogs, let's look at the
diet of wild coyotes. By people who actually looked at stomach contents
and scat. As opposed to just making stuff up as you have been known to do.

You need to study where coyotes are on the scientific scale. Wolves and
dogs are subspecies of Canis lupus. Coyotes are not.

chardonnay9 wrote:
Of course it's about wolves! They are a dog's closest relative.

Other dogs are dogs' closest relatives. Why aren't you citing research
into (and the diets of) Dingos?

You need to study where coyotes are on the scientific scale. Wolves
and dogs are subspecies of Canis lupus. Coyotes are not.

Linnean taxonomy is not static. Coyotes can interbreed with both wolves
and dogs, and produce fertile offspring from both crosses.

--
Mary H. and the restored Ames National Zoo:
The Right Reverand Sir Edgar "Lucky" Pan-Waffles;
U-CD ANZ Babylon Ranger, CD, RE; ANZ Pas de Duke, RN; and rotund Rhia

"Shelly" wrote in message
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Also:

Control-c to copy
Control-v to paste

These shortcuts are your friend. If you were my mom, I'd tell you to put
them on a Post-It and stick it on you monitor (and maybe I'd have to
remind you that the Post-Its are in the drawer of the *other* desk).

Actually - the last time you told me I DID write it on a Post-It note. But
the stickum got old and it fell off my monitor. So I stuck it in my desk
drawer. Couldn't find it this morning.

I'll try again.

Judy

"Shelly" wrote in message
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Another hint, if you cannot find your Post-It cheat sheet, is that
highlighting, then right clicking, will very often (in Windows) pop up a
window with a copy option. And then, you just put your cursor where you
want to paste, right click again, and you will most likely get another pop
up window with a paste option. That way, you only have to remember "right
click."

Hey - I just played with it a little and figured out what worked and what
didn't. For my computer, the right click gave me the cut option when I was
on a webpage. But putting it into a new message required the Control P -
right click got me nothing.

But I just did a couple of times, using slightly different things, so I
MIHGT actually remember it now!

Thanks. Again.

Judy