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Well I took the advice and kept Shadow & Remi outside as long as
possible
and then we all went inside. Shadow is having nothing to do with her.
He
growls whenever she comes near him. Of course she is enamored of him
and
stops whatever she is doing to watch him intently when he is in her
vicinity!

Is there something else we could be doing to get her to sleep through
the
night or is she just too young yet (7 weeks today). We did the alarm
clock/stuffed toy/lots of exercise thing. I feel like we have a
newborn
again

Kathy

She IS an infant. I am a firm believer of bringing home older puppies.
If
there is no dire reason to bring home such a young dog, I would have left
her with her mother and siblings for another four-five weeks. They just
learn so much from their mother about how to be a good dog. Once an
"older"
puppy (hell, at 11-12 weeks they are hardly "old") comes home, it's
easier
for you to teach her to be a good citizen, since she's already got a
solid
foundation as a good dog.


It was an accidental litter. The people had already sent her brother to a
new home and wanted to get rid of the others as soon as possiible. They
had
four adult dogs and the litter (8) all kenneled in the garage as it was
really cold here in MI at the time. There were only two females and my
husband wanted this female. If we didn't take her there was already
another
person who wanted her. They were basically giving the puppies away they
were selling them so cheaply.

Kathy

But if you had paid for her, so she was yours, wouldn't they have let the
puppy stay with the bitch for a few more weeks? I know the point is moot,
but if you had offered to pay for her keep, I can't see a good reason why
they wouldn't have let you leave her there for a month or two. What could
it cost to keep a still-nursing puppy? Or even if the bitch had weaned her
(probably not at six weeks), it still wouldn't be much to feed her for a
little while. The benefits outweigh the joys of early puppyhood, IMHO.

Phyrie

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"Phyrie" wrote:


It was an accidental litter. The people had already sent her brother to a
new home and wanted to get rid of the others as soon as possiible. They
had
four adult dogs and the litter (8) all kenneled in the garage as it was
really cold here in MI at the time. There were only two females and my
husband wanted this female. If we didn't take her there was already
another
person who wanted her. They were basically giving the puppies away they
were selling them so cheaply.

Kathy

But if you had paid for her, so she was yours, wouldn't they have let the
puppy stay with the bitch for a few more weeks? I know the point is moot,
but if you had offered to pay for her keep, I can't see a good reason why
they wouldn't have let you leave her there for a month or two. What could
it cost to keep a still-nursing puppy? Or even if the bitch had weaned her
(probably not at six weeks), it still wouldn't be much to feed her for a
little while. The benefits outweigh the joys of early puppyhood, IMHO.

Phyrie

Puppy raising isn't just about feeding and do those people SOUND like
folks who gave a damn about proper rearing?

Sounds like the puppy was MUCH better off outta there!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"Phyrie" wrote:


It was an accidental litter. The people had already sent her brother
to a
new home and wanted to get rid of the others as soon as possiible.
They
had
four adult dogs and the litter (8) all kenneled in the garage as it was
really cold here in MI at the time. There were only two females and my
husband wanted this female. If we didn't take her there was already
another
person who wanted her. They were basically giving the puppies away
they
were selling them so cheaply.

Kathy

But if you had paid for her, so she was yours, wouldn't they have let the
puppy stay with the bitch for a few more weeks? I know the point is
moot,
but if you had offered to pay for her keep, I can't see a good reason why
they wouldn't have let you leave her there for a month or two. What
could
it cost to keep a still-nursing puppy? Or even if the bitch had weaned
her
(probably not at six weeks), it still wouldn't be much to feed her for a
little while. The benefits outweigh the joys of early puppyhood, IMHO.

Phyrie

Puppy raising isn't just about feeding and do those people SOUND like
folks who gave a damn about proper rearing?

Sounds like the puppy was MUCH better off outta there!

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Yeah, you have a point there. I was thinking of the puppy raising being
done by the bitch, not the humans, and should have taken that more into
consideration.
But I did get the impression from the OP that these people are breeders of
GSPs who had an "oops". So they should know what they're doing, if they're
trying to be responsible breeders and simply had an accident.

Phyrie

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"Phyrie" wrote:


But I did get the impression from the OP that these people are breeders of
GSPs who had an "oops". So they should know what they're doing, if they're
trying to be responsible breeders and simply had an accident.

Ah - knowing what they are doing being a key phrase. Are they BYBs?
Keeping a litter in a garage in winter in MI tells me a lot (unless it
is a fancy, schmancy heated garage).

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"Phyrie" wrote:


But I did get the impression from the OP that these people are breeders
of
GSPs who had an "oops". So they should know what they're doing, if
they're
trying to be responsible breeders and simply had an accident.

Ah - knowing what they are doing being a key phrase. Are they BYBs?
Keeping a litter in a garage in winter in MI tells me a lot (unless it
is a fancy, schmancy heated garage).

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

I had to Google to learn which state was MI. Sorry, ignorant Canadian
here.... (when did Google become a verb??)
I had a look at WeatherMichigan.com. It's freakin' warmer there than here
right now!! It's SNOWING today. This is just unheard of. This is the
coldest, longest winter I've ever experienced here on the BC coast. I am SO
looking forward to Arizona in two weeks.

Phyrie

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"Phyrie" wrote:


I had a look at WeatherMichigan.com. It's freakin' warmer there than here
right now!! It's SNOWING today. This is just unheard of. This is the
coldest, longest winter I've ever experienced here on the BC coast. I am SO
looking forward to Arizona in two weeks.

This has been a very strange winter. We have had - temps and currently
we're experiencing days in the 60's (F). It won't last long, but it
sure is nice right now! I have a bit of spring fever and I truly do not
want to go back to cccccccoooooooold and snow and ice. A trace of ice
remains in some areas of my yard, despite these temps.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Janet Boss wrote:
I have a bit of spring fever and I truly do not
want to go back to cccccccoooooooold and snow and ice.

Oh, hush.

Our January was ~9 degrees F below average. I love La Niña!
We're going through a warm spot right now but according to
our friends at NOAA's Climate Prediction Center there's a
~40% chance temperatures will be below average next week and
beyond. http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Phyrie wrote:


"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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"Phyrie" wrote:


But I did get the impression from the OP that these people are breeders
of
GSPs who had an "oops". So they should know what they're doing, if
they're
trying to be responsible breeders and simply had an accident.

Ah - knowing what they are doing being a key phrase. Are they BYBs?
Keeping a litter in a garage in winter in MI tells me a lot (unless it
is a fancy, schmancy heated garage).

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

I had to Google to learn which state was MI. Sorry, ignorant Canadian
here.... (when did Google become a verb??)
I had a look at WeatherMichigan.com. It's freakin' warmer there than here
right now!! It's SNOWING today. This is just unheard of. This is the
coldest, longest winter I've ever experienced here on the BC coast. I am SO
looking forward to Arizona in two weeks.

Phyrie


Right now we are in an heat wave, my city has seen record temps the last
two days. So, don't think the current temperature is typical MI winter.
Just last week we were in single digits(F) ~-15 C I believe, my Celsius
is rusty.

Nick

"Nick" wrote in message
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Phyrie wrote:

I had to Google to learn which state was MI. Sorry, ignorant Canadian
here.... (when did Google become a verb??)
I had a look at WeatherMichigan.com. It's freakin' warmer there than
here
right now!! It's SNOWING today. This is just unheard of. This is the
coldest, longest winter I've ever experienced here on the BC coast. I am
SO
looking forward to Arizona in two weeks.

Phyrie


Right now we are in an heat wave, my city has seen record temps the last
two days. So, don't think the current temperature is typical MI winter.
Just last week we were in single digits(F) ~-15 C I believe, my Celsius
is rusty.

Nick

Yeah, you're pretty close, 5 F. is -15 C. We're at 5 C. today, which is 41
F., which is damn cold to me. Did I mention it SNOWED here yesterday?? It
didn't stick, but still... *sheesh*!!
--
Phyrie
Kiba the Cav's Pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/phyrie/...758930/detail/

Janet Boss wrote:

Puppy raising isn't just about feeding and do those people SOUND like
folks who gave a damn about proper rearing?

Sounds like the puppy was MUCH better off outta there!


I agree.

Keeping a litter in the garage because its
too cold to keep them outside is NOT a place
where that puppy would have learned anything
productive during the remaining weeks.

Better to get the puppies into loving homes
so they can actually start being socialized
to the home.