I have not been on this news group for over ten years. I just got a
new 1.5 to 2 year old pub from a rescue on Friday. She is a great
little girl, she ran off the first time I took her out of the car but
she is fine now and settled in well, I can run her without leash ( I
am using the old Wits end training manual I used with the first two
dogs we got many many years ago and she seems to be a quick learner,
still have one old hound left and an old cat and no problems there
either) Anyhow, took her to the vet today ( something I do not like to
do, sorry i just have a tough time trusting most of them and do not
like the idea of putting all these drugs into her anymore than I like
doctors and the pharmaceutical companies pumping all this stuff into
humans) and wanted to see if we could get her fixed. Now to the vet's
credit she told me to wait and see if she goes into heat because the
only way they could tell if she is spayed was to do an ultra sound. We
assumed she may of already had a litter? I did get the rabies and
parvo vaccines and worm pills as it is so hard to go into an animal
hospital without them getting you to put some vaccines and stuff into
your pet especially since she does run at a place where other dogs run
free and yes there is dog poo on the ground. Anyhow are there any ways
for me to tell if she is fixed that the vet may not know about? Having
had male dogs I am not sure where the incision would be or even if
there is one from the surgery? I assumed her running off initially was
maybe due to her being in heat but she is not, maybe she was just at
the end of her cycle? Or maybe it is just the new surroundings and
stress related with that as i have no idea as what her past history
was and the rescue shelter guy only had her for a couple of nights so
knew nothing about her either.

On Feb 25, 1:33*pm, wrote:
I have not been on this news group for over ten years. I just got a
new 1.5 to 2 year old pub from a rescue on Friday. She is a great
little girl, she ran off the first time I took her out of the car but
she is fine now and settled in well, I can run her without leash ( I
am using the old Wits end training manual I used with the first two
dogs we got many many years ago and she seems to be a quick learner,
still have one old hound left and an old cat and no problems there
either) Anyhow, took her to the vet today ( something I do not like to
do, sorry i just have a tough time trusting most of them and do not
like the idea of putting all these drugs into her anymore than I like
doctors and the pharmaceutical companies pumping all this stuff into
humans) and wanted to see if we could get her fixed. Now to the vet's
credit she told me to wait and see if she goes into heat because the
only way they could tell if she is spayed was to do an ultra sound. We
assumed she may of already had a litter? I did get the rabies and
parvo vaccines and worm pills as it is so hard to go into an animal
hospital without them getting you to put some vaccines and stuff into
your pet especially since she does run at a place where other dogs run
free and yes there is dog poo on the ground. Anyhow are there any ways
for me to tell if she is fixed that the vet may not know about? Having
had male dogs I am not sure where the incision would be or even if
there is one from the surgery? I assumed her running off initially was
maybe due to her being in heat but she is not, *maybe she was just at
the end of her cycle? Or maybe it is just the new surroundings and
stress related with that as i have no idea as what her past history
was and the rescue shelter guy only had her for a couple of nights so
knew nothing about her either.

I was reading your webpage and this one as well

http://saveourdogs.net/health.html

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

Interesting Article on Spaying and Neutering, Food for thought. My
sweet gentle giant Rotti Husky mix died of cancer, he was neutered at
an early age, he was only 11 years old. According to the "save our
dogs" web page spaying may provide more health benefits then problems
if done after maturity? ( the new "pup" is already 1.5 years old) .
Going to have to think about this.

I was reading your webpage and this one as well

http://saveourdogs.net/health.html

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongT...uterInDogs.pdf

Interesting Article on Spaying and Neutering, Food for thought. My
sweet gentle giant Rotti Husky mix died of cancer, he was neutered at
an early age, he was only 11 years old. According to the "save our
dogs" web page spaying may provide more health benefits then problems
if done after maturity? ( the new "pup" is already 1.5 years old) .
Going to have to think about this.


On Feb 25, 9:52*pm,
"Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resea rch_Laboratory"
Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resea
wrote:
HOWEDY reginald.pip,

wrote in message

...

I have not been on this news group for over ten years.

The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing, Majestic Grand Master Puppy, Child,
Pussy, Birdy, Goat, Ferret, Monkey, SpHOWES,
And Horsey Wizard recently celebrated HIS 10th
anniversary IDENTIFYING EXXXPOSING and
DISCREDITING the PATHETIC miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long INCURABLE Malignant
MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASES here on Usenet
just like HOWE I'm fixin to do RIGHT HERE an
RIGHT NHOWE, again, for your edification {}': ~ )

I just got a new 1.5 to 2 year old pub from a rescue
on Friday.

WELCOME BACK~!

nessa recently "returned to the fold" after havin
just MURDERED her own DEAD DOG Bagel,
thanks to janet boss's EXXXPERT PROFESSIONAL
OBEDIENCE TRAININ:

* * * * "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
* * * * Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
* * * * A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
* * * * But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth, *author:
* * * * "CourteHOWES Canine."

* * * *"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
* * * *your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
* * * *as possible. What *does this mean?

* * * *When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time,
* * * *spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth and walk
* * * *away. The dog won't be too thrilled with this but just
* * * *ignore him and continue your normal behavior."
* * * * * * --Mike Dufort
* * * * * * * author of the zero selling book
* * * * * * * "CourteHOWES Canines"

* * "Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
* * choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
* * stern correction" --Janet Boss

* * * * * * * * * Here's janet's CUSTOM MADE
* * * * * * * pronged spiked pinch choke collar:

* * * * * * * * * * * *http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt

"J1Boss" wrote in message

...

*He was next to me and I could see his neck
*muscles pulsing. *He didn't even blink an eye.
*Janet Boss

"sionnach" wrote in message

...

"J1Boss" wrote in message
...
*I can't imagine needing anything higher
*than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.

An INSENSITIVE DOG???

I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.

Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
*been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

janet CONtinues:

My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they
are DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic
bark collars, but they should be used in conjunction
with actually working at training your dog(s).

They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *-------------------

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * SEE?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * LIKE THIS:

Here's HOWER DOG LOVER PAL an janets' REAL
LIFE IN PERSON "students" of three years, nessa
an her DEAD DOG, Bagel:

nessa wrote:

Sadly my big beautiful black Bagel went to Rainbow
Bridge on September 18 due to a severe debilitating
neck injury that left him unable to walk and in pain
when he moved his head.

* * * * HERE'S HOWE nessa BROKE
* * * * HER DEAD DOG Bagles' neck
* * * * kinda like HOWE nicks' DEAD
* * * * DOG Jezebel got her NECK BROKE:

Subject: *Training...

*1 From: *Nessa
Date: *Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: * Nessa

well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.

I have tried every type of collar around. *Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.

*Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.

*I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).

He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.

Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
*he is out like a light. *So is Hannah.

I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
*couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.

I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. *Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.

She's getting good at them.

I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. * with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
*my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.

Life with a dog..... PRICELESS

Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptionswww.nessa.info

* * * * * * * * * *----------------------

* * * * * *BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!

nessa wrote:

*my kids are not angels. *I've had my share of problems.
*ONE of my kids is emotionally disturbed. He knew rules.
*he followed rules or he had consequences. *even at 24 he
*is still fighting the rules and still suffering the consequences
*of disregarding the rules, even if he does not understand it
*much more than a 10 year old, we do it every day....

*one is on the autistic spectrum (the 24 year old)
*he's in a group home. there are some problems but he's
*not murdered anyone yet and we've not killed him either."

*one is ADHD *(the 22 year old who BTW GRADUATES
*from DREXEL this year) one is learning disabled (my 16
*yr old girl child stepdaughter who came as the bonus child
*with the current husband)

*two no longer live at home but they learned quickly NO means NO"

* * * * * * * * * * * * *---------------------

"Nessa" wrote in message

...

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:08:15 -0500, "Paul E. Schoen"
wrote:
She's still having problems with her dogs.
Well I'm not having problems with Bagel.
*He's at the bridge and has been since September.

* * * * * * * * * *RPD* MeNTally Ill All_StaRz
* * * * * *KUCKOO!! KUCKOOO! DING! DING! DING!

* * * * * * * * * * * * *NESSA NUTCASE

* * * * * *FORMER MVP *(Most Valuable Psychotic) of
* * * * * * * * * * * * * dog newsgroups

Successfully dethroned MaryBeth as MVP but
lost her title to shelly due to inactivity

Nessa blames all the problems in her life
on ADD, ADHD Or some other empowering acronym
which encapsulates her futility for her

Her dog bagel, a large newf mix
has used her house liberally
as a toilet since February of 2002. Drives
a 2003 Toyota Matrix, owns a house in
suburban MD, recently got a raise/promotion
to US goverment grade 11 (circa $50,000) and
promptly decided she couldn't afford her two
dogs. With help from non crazy regular
(Paulette) and witchcraft practicing regular
Sara Sionnach, Nessa has decided to keep her
dogs for the time being. She is undergoing
training from Janet "Nice Abdominal Surgery
and getting Run Over for the Family Pet" Boss.
Her results have not been dramatic.

CrAzy ReGulAr helping CraZy ReGular
Leah helping Nessa

* * * * * * * * * * *---------------------

On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 8:40:08 -0400, Leah wrote

Nessa wrote:

* * * * *"As far as the depression goes,
* * * * *it's not related to Bagel at all.
* * * * *I have chronic major depression and
* * * * *I'm just having a flare."

* * * * *Leah asks
* * * * *"Are you on any medication?"

Nessa responds

* * * * *yes for depression, mood swings and ADHD.
* * * * *I have been for over 10 years.

* * * * *--nessa

Nessa is Fat as well as crazy

* * * * *"For what it's worth...
* * * * *I picked up 30 pounds when I started
* * * * *Dilantin. I picked up (just recently) another
* * * * *20 on risperidol.

* * * * *I hate that I *was a size 8-10 before meds and
* * * * *now I am solidly (pun intended) a 22-24.

* * * * *Sad part is, the side effects are worth it.
* * * * *The positive effects
* * * * *are too much to part with."

* * * * *--nessa

* * * * * * * * * * ------------------------

NESSA'S HAS A GREAT NEUROPSYCH

* * * * *Hi, I have a great neuropsych in Arlington Va.
* * * * *He is at the Rosyln Metro Station. *His name is
* * * * *Martin Stein
* * * * *1911 N Fort Myer Dr.
* * * * *Suite 907
* * * * *Arlington Va 22209
* * * * *703-807-2471
* * * * *email

* * * * *Marty is wonderful. *He is really the best.
* * * * *He has also given me permission to post his
* * * * *infomation on this Newsgroup. *If you call
* * * * *him and see him by all means tell him Nessa
* * * * *sent you.

* * * * *--nessa

* * * * * * * * * * * * * ----------------------

ROTATE YOUR STIMULANTS

* * * * *from: Nessa )

* * * * *Hi,

* * * * *I often have to rotate my stimulants.
* * * * *You can become used to them and sometimes
* * * * *need a different one for a while. *Until I
* * * * *got on my Desoxyn I rotated Ritilan and
* * * * *Dexedrine every 3 months or so.

* * * * *It is true that anti-depressants or
* * * * *anti-anxiety pills will help with the
* * * * *stimulants so your DR is not wrong. However,
* * * * *perhaps she needs to check into the idea that
* * * * *a switch from cylert to something else might
* * * * *be in order.

* * * * *warm thoughts,
* * * * *Nessa

* * * * * * * * * * *------------------

* * * * * *JUST LIKE HOWE nicky DONE:

nick wrote:
"I know were not "hurting" her when we hold
her down, as the force is not enough to do
any damage..."

Wow - ONE

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said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

According to the "save our
dogs" web page spaying may provide more health benefits
then problems if done after maturity?

Maybe, maybe not.

There may be some benefits to later spaying (post nine months)
but I've never seen really good evidence. If you're willing to
put up with the difficulties of living with an unspayed female,
that's up to you, natch, but I'd really keep asking myself Why
Am I Doing This!?

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

In article ,
Rocky wrote:
If you're willing to
put up with the difficulties of living with an unspayed female,
that's up to you, natch, but I'd really keep asking myself Why
Am I Doing This!?

In this year's Yukon Quest, which still has several teams on
the trail, Lance Mackey's younger brother had to scratch
because a female in heat basically shut the team down, and
William Kleedehn, who was the early leader and was expected
to win, stalled out because of a female in heat and ended up
finishing sixth.

When I've had intact females in heat the blood hasn't
bothered me nearly as much as the squirrely, obnoxious
behavior. Although I'll have to say that a cat in heat is
worse.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

(Melinda Shore) said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

When I've had intact females in heat the blood hasn't
bothered me nearly as much as the squirrely, obnoxious
behavior.

Yesterday, I was going through my calendar trying to pick a day
for Maybe's spay. It's got to be after she turns 2, so May 20
is the earliest. And I'd like a couple of weeks for her to heal
before I kennel her while I'm out of town judging the Ontario
agility regionals and later (hopefully) attending the Canadian
Nationals. And, it's got to be a Friday so she can have a
restful weekend before she's back at work at the daycare.

Plus, I'm interviewing vets as to their XRay-for-OFA experience
(Maybe's vet freely admits his lack of experience in this).

This is more planning than I'd counted on.

Although I'll have to say that a cat in heat is
worse.

I don't know from cats, but I have no problem believing that.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

In article ,
Rocky wrote:
And I'd like a couple of weeks for her to heal
before I kennel her while I'm out of town judging the Ontario
agility regionals and later (hopefully) attending the Canadian
Nationals.

Yeah - you probably don't want to rely on someone else
keeping your recently surgerized dog quiet.

When you say "Canadian Nationals," are you talking about the
Ottawa championships?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

In article ,
Rocky wrote:


Yesterday, I was going through my calendar trying to pick a day
for Maybe's spay. It's got to be after she turns 2, so May 20
is the earliest. And I'd like a couple of weeks for her to heal
before I kennel her while I'm out of town judging the Ontario
agility regionals and later (hopefully) attending the Canadian
Nationals. And, it's got to be a Friday so she can have a
restful weekend before she's back at work at the daycare.

I planned Marcie's for a Monday, after her last fall flyball class, but
enough time to heal for off leash play during my holiday party, with
several weeks to heal before next semester of flyball started. Careful
calculations!

Plus, I'm interviewing vets as to their XRay-for-OFA experience
(Maybe's vet freely admits his lack of experience in this).

This is more planning than I'd counted on.

I sometimes think I should have waited until 2 so I could get her x-rays
out of the way at the same time, but made my 1 heat only decision and
stuck to it. The vet that did Franklin's x-rays did a great job, but
I don't use her anymore (she's an hour away). I need to talk to my
current vet about the hospitals experience, but I have until October to
decide at least.

When is Maybe due in season again?

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

(Melinda Shore) said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

When you say "Canadian Nationals," are you talking about the
Ottawa championships?

Probably - the AAC Nationals are being held in Ottawa this year,
next year my group will hopefully be putting it on in Calgary.

The group putting it on in Ottawa this year are also organising
the Ontario Regionals (which may be larger than the Nationals),
so they've really set themselves up for some hard work.

http://www.aacontarioregionals.com/
http://www.aacnationals.ca/

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Janet Boss said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

When is Maybe due in season again?

I have no idea. Her first heat was 14 months and she was 21
months on February 20. So, any time now.

She'll be two on May 20, but I'm judging the Ontario Regionals
in late May, my Regionals are 2 weeks later in mid-June, and the
following weekend I'm judging out of province - but then I've
got a 3 week break before my next out of town commitment. So my
calendar tells me that the best Friday for surgery won't be
until June 26, so I can count on another heat.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.