On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 09:59:48 -0600, FurPaw
wrote:

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
Suja wrote:
I don't have any issues with the dogs
not eating what's in front of them,

Huh. I've had dogs eat a handful of kibble from my hand and
isolate and spit out the pill.

Dylan, Gordo and Chile - yes. With these three I had to hide the
pills in a delectable treat like cheese or, sometimes, push it
over the back of the tongue.

Oppie - never. He -might- isolate a sprig of broccoli from a
mouthful, but never a pill.

It really does vary from dog to dog.

And that's it right there. Dogs are all different.

On 9 Mar 2009 12:02:38 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
As have I. It doesn't matter if one dog gets a chewable glucosamine
or an acidophilus capsule that was intended for a different dog. But
medications are too important for me to not watch them go into the
dog.

Right - that's a big part of the reason I do the pills by
moving them directly from my hand to the dog's mouth.

Yep. I know most of my dogs would snarf up heartworm pills from their
bowls. But after having treated several rescues for heartworm, I
prefer to watch them do the snarfing.

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message:

Huh. I've had dogs eat a handful of kibble from my hand and
isolate and spit out the pill.

Lessee now. Khan's on Thyro tab and melatonin, both of which disintegrate
completely in water, Proin (chewable), FSO lignans (1/2 capsule, so
sprinkled over food), fish oil (capsule) and Glucosamine (liquid). Since
their food is soaked anyway, it all gets dumped in together. When the dogs
have had to take antibiotics, I've pilled separately; mostly because the
capsules get all soggy and gross, and then even these two canine Einsteins
can tell there is something weird in their food.

Different strokes and all that.

Suja

In article ,
"Suja" wrote:

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message:

Huh. I've had dogs eat a handful of kibble from my hand and
isolate and spit out the pill.

Lessee now. Khan's on Thyro tab and melatonin, both of which disintegrate
completely in water, Proin (chewable), FSO lignans (1/2 capsule, so
sprinkled over food), fish oil (capsule) and Glucosamine (liquid). Since
their food is soaked anyway, it all gets dumped in together. When the dogs
have had to take antibiotics, I've pilled separately; mostly because the
capsules get all soggy and gross, and then even these two canine Einsteins
can tell there is something weird in their food.

Different strokes and all that.

Suja

Rudy gets Proin (1/2 pill each meal), Ester-C (human caplet) and flax
oil (gelcap). Lucy gets the Ester-C, Flax and Glucosamine (human
capsule). Marcie gets just one Ester-C per day (the others get 2) and
Nupro powder.

I give them their Interceptor once a month like a treat, and if they
needs something like Benadryl or Immodium I hand it to them directly.
That's more due to either needing an empty tummy or more frequency than
meals. I've done antibiotics both ways, depending on the pill - some of
them do get weird. When I've used liquid anything, it went on the food.

Cats need direct pilling except the Cosequin capsule - that gets
sprinkled on canned food - I've never had one willing to eat any other
type of pill.

The only time a pill has been left behind is if a gelcap manages to
stick to the dish, but that's been rare.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

Melinda Shore wrote:

In article ,
Suja wrote:
I don't have any issues with the dogs
not eating what's in front of them,

Huh. I've had dogs eat a handful of kibble from my hand and
isolate and spit out the pill.

I've had a dog that does that. I've also had one that you could have
used pills as treats. The law of anecdotes clearly states, we are all
wrong.

Nick

In article ,
Nick wrote:
The law of anecdotes clearly states, we are all
wrong.

I don't think there's a "law of anecdotes," but if there is
it would say something about lack of proof rather than lack
of correctness.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

In article ,
elegy wrote:
i've had an eeevil red dog eat the peanut butter and spit out the
pill.

What, she sucked the peanut butter off? That's a pretty
impressive feat - maybe gluey locally-ground stuff would
work better.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
Suja wrote:

I don't have any issues with the dogs
not eating what's in front of them,


Huh. I've had dogs eat a handful of kibble from my hand and
isolate and spit out the pill.

Mine? If I tell them it's food, it's gone. I can just hand them a pill
and they'll eat it.

Human_And_Animal_Behavior_Forensic_Sciences_Resear ch_Laboratory wrote:
HOWEDY paul e. schoen you pathetic miserable
stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug coward
active acute chronic life-long incurable malignant
maliciHOWES MENTAL CASE,

"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message
...
"chardonnay9" wrote in message
m...
[in response to elegy's remarks about Harvey nipping her when feeding him

It got her DEAD RESCUE DOG Homer DEAD on her:

She had the dog only 12 days and managed to have him hate her that bad?
Dogs bite for a reason. I guess killing the dog would be preferable to
admitting you've made a dog bite you?


Subject: i don't know what to do
From: elegy
Date: Monday, February 26, 2007

homer full-on attacked me tonight. multiple puncture
wounds on my hand, torn pants, dog that kept coming.

he meant it tonight. he meant to hurt
me, not just to say "i don't like this".

i was trying to teach him to down using a lure and
he totally and completely wasn't getting it at all, so
i was trying to physically show him what i wanted.

yeah. guess not.

i don't know what to do.

i have always said that i WILL NOT tolerate a dog who
bites, that i WILL NOT have a dog like that in my house.

it's easy to say when you're not faced with that, eh?

Homer 1994 - 03.01.2007"
brothers and sisters i bid you beware
of giving your heart to a dog to tear

i put homer to sleep yesterday.

it was quite possibly the hardest thing i've ever done.

monday night i was trying to teach him to down using a
food lure. he wasn't getting it, so i put a hand on him to
try to encourage him to down. he attacked me, biting me
twice on the hand, and then when i stood up and backed
away, he came after me more and bit me on the leg as well.

i was shocked and devestated and a hundred other things.

i ended up emailing my trainer (who has
turned out to be a very kind friend) and
she called me and i spent an hour on
the phone with her crying.

she doesn't deal with aggression cases,
but she listened to me and talked me down.

i hardly slept that night.

tuesday i took homer in to work with me and
had the vet feel his neck. i didn't think it was
a reaction due to pain but i had to check it out.

the vet put his hands on the sides of homer's
head and manipulated his head around. homer
didn't show any signs of pain or discomfort. he
went through the motions some more.

homer flipped out, with no warning, extremely
violently. it took him a long time (it felt like a
lifetime. it was probably around 3 minutes) to
calm down enough that the vet could take his
hands off of homer without anybody getting hurt.

i went home for lunch and called a behaviorist.

i spent a lot of the day reading the brenda aloff
aggression book and the karen overall behavior book.

that night the behaviorist called me and i told
her what had happened and she asked questions
and i answered them as best i could.

she gave him a pretty poor prognosis.

everything that she said made sense to me,
and nothing she said was earth-shattering or
even really anything that i didn't already know.

this morning i took him in and held him close
and cried into his fur and told him how much
i love him and let him go.

he was a dangerous dog. he bit unpredictably
and with no warning. he was a love, a snugglebug,
a sweet sweet dog as long as you didn't do anything
he didn't want done.

but if you tried to "make" him do something
he didn't want to do, all bets were off. his
reaction could be a snap or it could be an
over-the-top meltdown.

i couldn't live with a dog like that.

i *will not* live with a dog like that.

i've spent the last three days crying my eyes out.

i never imagined i could get that attached to a
dog who i had for all of 12 days and who bit me
several times during those12 days.

but i was. i loved him.

i loved him ferociously, but i had to let him go.

for his sake.

for my sake.

for the sake of luce and mushroom.

i feel horrible. heartbroken. guilty. angry.

and yet i don't regret him, not for one
moment, despite how things turned out.

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article VpCsl.15746$Db2.6482@edtnps83,
Dale Atkin wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your point here... I'm saying most dogs will be
on
some kind of pill for some period of time at some point in their life
(which
I hold to).
I think so, as well, but my experience has been that
medication is rarely given with food. And since people here
like to confuse anecdotes and data, I'll play along. Of all
the dogs I've had over all those years, the only liquids that
we've put on food have been DDAVP and KBr for Greta, and
Ivermectin for Image. It's far more common to give the
drugs in pill form, and no, I don't just throw chewables on
food. It's simpler and there's lower risk of something
going wrong to just give it to the dog directly.

Either way, it doesn't change the main point I was making, which is that
it
is very handy to be able to control which dog gets which food, which is
*much* easier if the dogs will wait to get their food, and then go to
their
own dish afterwards (at least for me it is).
Dale, I don't know if you've even had more than one dog at a
time. I've currently got eight, they all wait for
permission to eat (except for old deaf Image, who has
permission to be uncooperative), and I think your "point"
was almost completely irrelevant. There are good husbandry/
management reasons to keep dogs out of each others' food and
I think it helps build better relationships with the dogs if
they look to you for things like that, but medication is a
tiny, tiny part of that and somewhat uncommon, in my
experience.

But as a general rule, it's best to qualify assertions like
the one you made so that they're specific and accurate and
not so sweeping that they're wrong in common cases.

Melinda, you just never can admit that you made a wrong assumption or that
you did not read or retain all of what was said before you criticized. And
now you continue to make derogatory remarks in an attempt to avoid saying
that you might have said something wrong. Instead of admitting it and maybe
apologizing, you look down your nose and try to make yourself seem
superior.

Paul and Muttley

Yep, I think you are right on the mark Paul.