It has been ten years since we have had a puppy in the house so I am unsure
of how much they generally go I admit I might be a little hypersensitive
to this subject too as it was a year ago March that we had to have Shelby
put to sleep due to CRF.

Our new GSP Remi (14 weeks) seems to drink a lot and pee a lot. Sometimes
she will go out and have to go out again within 10-15 minutes. She still
wakes up a couple of times a night to go out. On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are! Other than that
she is pretty reliably housetrained. So far we only leave her on average 3-4
hours at a time and she is confined to one room. On return there is usually
one or two puddles which is not a problem as the room is tiled and it has
not affected her as far as housetraining. She does not go in the house at
other times. I really do not wish to contain her in her crate at when we
leave as I want the crate to be strictly for sleeping.

We have an appointment for Tuesday for more puppy shots and I'm going to
mention my concern then. I do know that when I was on the kidney list there
were some owners who had concerns about their dogs at a young age that were
brushed off by their vet (too young) that later turned out to be kidney
problems. Just looking for some varied input on the subject. Is it too
early to think about a USG? Her urine is clear but I don't know if it is too
clear, i.e. is she concentrating it enough? Is this constant urinating
common in puppies due to maybe small bladder etc? Any comments would be
appreciated!

Kathy

In article ,
"kat" wrote:


Our new GSP Remi (14 weeks) seems to drink a lot and pee a lot. Sometimes
she will go out and have to go out again within 10-15 minutes. She still
wakes up a couple of times a night to go out. On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are! Other than that
she is pretty reliably housetrained.

I would expect a puppy of her breed and age to be sleeping through the
night without getting up. I don't take pups out at every middle of the
night whimper - that can create habit rather than need IMO. If I now
the pup is empty, I may get up once, but the other times, "no - go back
to sleep".


So far we only leave her on average 3-4
hours at a time and she is confined to one room. On return there is usually
one or two puddles which is not a problem as the room is tiled and it has
not affected her as far as housetraining. She does not go in the house at
other times. I really do not wish to contain her in her crate at when we
leave as I want the crate to be strictly for sleeping.

I don't get that at all. I think every time you allow "mistakes" you
set yourself back. Since you aren't crating all day long, I wouldn't
make the choice to give her so much freedom that she's peeing.

We have an appointment for Tuesday for more puppy shots and I'm going to
mention my concern then. I do know that when I was on the kidney list there
were some owners who had concerns about their dogs at a young age that were
brushed off by their vet (too young) that later turned out to be kidney
problems. Just looking for some varied input on the subject. Is it too
early to think about a USG? Her urine is clear but I don't know if it is too
clear, i.e. is she concentrating it enough? Is this constant urinating
common in puppies due to maybe small bladder etc? Any comments would be
appreciated!

Rudy was 5.5 months by the time he came to live here, but what I
initially chalked up to lack of housebreaking before he arrived, turned
out to be urethra problems and he takes Proin every day. As I recall,
Remi came from a less than stellar breeder, and I think physical
problems MAY be more likely (Rudy is a puppymill product). I would
certainly bring a urine sample (first thing of the morning of course)
and fast her for a good blood sample as well (get a morning appointment?)

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

On Apr 9, 11:45*am, "kat" wrote:
It has been ten years since we have had a puppy in the house so I am unsure
of how much they generally go *I admit I might be a little hypersensitive
to this subject too as it was a year ago March that we had to have Shelby
put to sleep due to CRF.

Our new GSP Remi (14 weeks) seems to drink a lot and pee a lot. *Sometimes
she will go out and have to go out again within 10-15 minutes. *She still
wakes up a couple of times a night to go out. *On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. *She seems as surprised as we are! *Other than that
she is pretty reliably housetrained. So far we only leave her on average 3-4
hours at a time and she is confined to one room. *On return there is usually
one or two puddles which is not a problem as the room is tiled and it has
not affected her as far as housetraining. *She does not go in the house at
other times. I really do not wish to contain her in her crate at when we
leave as I want the crate to be strictly for sleeping.

We have an appointment for Tuesday for more puppy shots and I'm going to
mention my concern then. *I do know that when I was on the kidney list there
were some owners who had concerns about their dogs at a young age that were
brushed off by their vet (too young) that later turned out to be kidney
problems. *Just looking for some varied input on the subject. *Is it too
early to think about a USG? Her urine is clear but I don't know if it is too
clear, i.e. is she concentrating it enough? *Is this constant urinating
common in puppies due to maybe small bladder etc? *Any comments would be
appreciated!

Kathy

I would still be trying to get her out every 2 hours, 10-15 minutes
after eating or drinking. Are you treating her and praising her when
she does her business outside? I've always been told to make sure the
crate is not too large, that htey will not urinate in their crate/
place where they sleep. It is harder to train if you keep them in a
area that they are allowed to urinate.

I'd get a sample and take it in when you go to the vet. Just to err on
the side of caution

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"kat" wrote:


Our new GSP Remi (14 weeks) seems to drink a lot and pee a lot.
Sometimes
she will go out and have to go out again within 10-15 minutes. She
still
wakes up a couple of times a night to go out. On occasion she will be
in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are! Other than
that
she is pretty reliably housetrained.

I would expect a puppy of her breed and age to be sleeping through the
night without getting up. I don't take pups out at every middle of the
night whimper - that can create habit rather than need IMO.

Yes that is what I am worried about too but she does pee so I'm torn as to
if it is habit or need.

If I now
the pup is empty, I may get up once, but the other times, "no - go back
to sleep".


So far we only leave her on average 3-4
hours at a time and she is confined to one room. On return there is
usually
one or two puddles which is not a problem as the room is tiled and it
has
not affected her as far as housetraining. She does not go in the house
at
other times. I really do not wish to contain her in her crate at when we
leave as I want the crate to be strictly for sleeping.

I don't get that at all. I think every time you allow "mistakes" you
set yourself back. Since you aren't crating all day long, I wouldn't
make the choice to give her so much freedom that she's peeing.

We have an appointment for Tuesday for more puppy shots and I'm going to
mention my concern then. I do know that when I was on the kidney list
there
were some owners who had concerns about their dogs at a young age that
were
brushed off by their vet (too young) that later turned out to be kidney
problems. Just looking for some varied input on the subject. Is it too
early to think about a USG? Her urine is clear but I don't know if it is
too
clear, i.e. is she concentrating it enough? Is this constant urinating
common in puppies due to maybe small bladder etc? Any comments would be
appreciated!

Rudy was 5.5 months by the time he came to live here, but what I
initially chalked up to lack of housebreaking before he arrived, turned
out to be urethra problems and he takes Proin every day.

Is there a specific test value that indicates that. What led to that
diagnosis?


As I recall,
Remi came from a less than stellar breeder,

Yep.

and I think physical
problems MAY be more likely (Rudy is a puppymill product). I would
certainly bring a urine sample (first thing of the morning of course)
and fast her for a good blood sample as well (get a morning appointment?)

Good idea. Our appointments are generally in the afternoon as the vet is
about 1 1/2 hours away but I will definitely schedule a morning appointment.

Kathy

"Tracey K" wrote in message
...
On Apr 9, 11:45 am, "kat" wrote:
It has been ten years since we have had a puppy in the house so I am
unsure
of how much they generally go I admit I might be a little
hypersensitive
to this subject too as it was a year ago March that we had to have Shelby
put to sleep due to CRF.

Our new GSP Remi (14 weeks) seems to drink a lot and pee a lot. Sometimes
she will go out and have to go out again within 10-15 minutes. She still
wakes up a couple of times a night to go out. On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are! Other than that
she is pretty reliably housetrained. So far we only leave her on average
3-4
hours at a time and she is confined to one room. On return there is
usually
one or two puddles which is not a problem as the room is tiled and it has
not affected her as far as housetraining. She does not go in the house at
other times. I really do not wish to contain her in her crate at when we
leave as I want the crate to be strictly for sleeping.

We have an appointment for Tuesday for more puppy shots and I'm going to
mention my concern then. I do know that when I was on the kidney list
there
were some owners who had concerns about their dogs at a young age that
were
brushed off by their vet (too young) that later turned out to be kidney
problems. Just looking for some varied input on the subject. Is it too
early to think about a USG? Her urine is clear but I don't know if it is
too
clear, i.e. is she concentrating it enough? Is this constant urinating
common in puppies due to maybe small bladder etc? Any comments would be
appreciated!

Kathy

I would still be trying to get her out every 2 hours,

She goes out much more frequently than that

10-15 minutes
after eating or drinking. Are you treating her and praising her when
she does her business outside?

We did in the initial phase of housetraining but no longer need treats as
she loves to go outside.


I've always been told to make sure the
crate is not too large, that htey will not urinate in their crate/
place where they sleep. It is harder to train if you keep them in a
area that they are allowed to urinate.

I consider her essentially trained. She hasn't had an accident that I can
recall in a long time - other than the times I mentioned. It seems to be a
matter of she can't hold it for very long more than a matter of not being
trained. She whines at the back door (most times) when she needs to go out
and if you don't get there soon enough, often times she will come back to
get you.


I'd get a sample and take it in when you go to the vet. Just to err on
the side of caution

Yes I think I will.

Kathy

In article ,
"kat" wrote:


Yes that is what I am worried about too but she does pee so I'm torn as to
if it is habit or need.


I think it's worth risking, at least as a test! If I woke up and got up
in the middle of the night, I'm sure I COULD pee when presented with the
opportunity. That isn't the same as NEEDING to. I'm pretty sure all of
my dogs would pee in the middle of the night if I got up and let them
out.

Is there a specific test value that indicates that. What led to that
diagnosis?

We did urine samples, urine cultures and bloodwork, followed by
ultrasounds and x-rays. I also kept track of water consumption and
such. He can pee for as much as 2 minutes straight, and pretty much
every time he is let out, no matter what. The Proin just helps him hold
it until he can!

Good idea. Our appointments are generally in the afternoon as the vet is
about 1 1/2 hours away but I will definitely schedule a morning appointment.

The only numbers that will mean anything are fasting and first pee, so
it really pays to do that! Good luck! Could be a minor infection,
could be a malformation of some sort, etc. Only through tests will
you know for sure. She could just be particularly immature, but I
somehow feel that is less likely.

--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

In article ,
Tracey K wrote:
I would still be trying to get her out every 2 hours,

Day-um. Why?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

In article ,
kat wrote:
On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are!

That's the part that sends up warning signals for me.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
kat wrote:
On occasion she will be in
your lap and just pee. She seems as surprised as we are!

That's the part that sends up warning signals for me.

Yes that's especially worrisome and often one of the first signs of kidney
problems (I learned in retrospect). I wasn't sure if I was just being a
nervous Nelly due to my previous experience or if puppies were different.

Kathy


--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"kat" wrote:


Yes that is what I am worried about too but she does pee so I'm torn as
to
if it is habit or need.


I think it's worth risking, at least as a test! If I woke up and got up
in the middle of the night, I'm sure I COULD pee when presented with the
opportunity. That isn't the same as NEEDING to.

Both DH and I get up in the middle of the night needing to and we tiptoe to
try and not wake her. I think she just wants to join the party Other
times she initiates the 'party' and we say might as well too!


I'm pretty sure all of
my dogs would pee in the middle of the night if I got up and let them
out.

I mentioned trying a test to see if she would go back to sleep. He
immediately went into his spiel about "how she drinks too much" I've started
calling him the water nazi. He prefers to restrict her water since he is the
one who gets up will her but I'm not sure that is a good idea.


Is there a specific test value that indicates that. What led to that
diagnosis?

We did urine samples, urine cultures and bloodwork, followed by
ultrasounds and x-rays. I also kept track of water consumption and
such. He can pee for as much as 2 minutes straight, and pretty much
every time he is let out, no matter what. The Proin just helps him hold
it until he can!

Good idea. Our appointments are generally in the afternoon as the vet
is
about 1 1/2 hours away but I will definitely schedule a morning
appointment.

The only numbers that will mean anything are fasting and first pee, so
it really pays to do that! Good luck! Could be a minor infection,
could be a malformation of some sort, etc.



When Shelby was diagnosed with CRF we did an ultrasound and she had smaller
than normal and malformed kidneys. That explained *so* much about her
behavior over the years since she came to us as a stray. I always assumed
that it was a housebreaking/submissive peeing thing. I wish I had had one
done on her years ago but I was too uniformed.

Kathy