A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If he's
underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a chicken
leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors make it out
to be.

chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If he's
underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a chicken
leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors make it out
to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeing can be.

Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If he's
underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a chicken
leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors make it
out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If
he's underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a
chicken leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors
make it out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

And yet you just suggested it.

Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If
he's underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a
chicken leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors
make it out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

And yet you just suggested it.

You can read into it whatever you want to. It doesn't make it so.

chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If
he's underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like a
chicken leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy doctors
make it out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

And yet you just suggested it.

You can read into it whatever you want to. It doesn't make it so.

Suggesting that someone with no experience
feeding raw give their dog generic chicken
leg quarters or "raw meat with fat still on
it" is definitely suggesting that someone
indiscriminately feed raw. Almost by its very
definition.

Its irresponsible. People who have not done
their homework, who have not obtained a
decent amount of information about how to do
it safely have no business giving their dogs
raw chicken legs or any other raw meat. And
for you to tell them to do so is extremely
irresponsible and can lead to a lot of harm
being done to the dog.

What about some fruit that is high in antioxidants? Like
blueberries or cantaloupe? He loves cantaloupe and used
to get quite a bit of it. It's relatively low in carbs and sugar.

I'm thinking that I need to grind up broccoli and put
it in another favorite of his, cottage cheese.

Also, Kroger has a really good canned green bean
product called "really green" or something like that.

Even suitable for human consumption, unlike most
canned vegetables.

My dog is underweight. How do I fatten
him up without overloading his system with carbs?

And if fat is not a problem and, as some suggest,
an underweight dog may need less fiber, how about
cheese? He loves that too.


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chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that
I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If
he's underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like
a chicken leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy
doctors make it out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

And yet you just suggested it.

You can read into it whatever you want to. It doesn't make it so.

Suggesting that someone with no experience feeding raw give their dog
generic chicken leg quarters or "raw meat with fat still on it" is
definitely suggesting that someone indiscriminately feed raw. Almost
by its very definition.

Its irresponsible. People who have not done their homework, who have
not obtained a decent amount of information about how to do it safely
have no business giving their dogs raw chicken legs or any other raw
meat. And for you to tell them to do so is extremely irresponsible and
can lead to a lot of harm being done to the dog.

A. Brain wrote:
What about some fruit that is high in antioxidants? Like
blueberries or cantaloupe? He loves cantaloupe and used
to get quite a bit of it. It's relatively low in carbs and sugar.

I'm thinking that I need to grind up broccoli and put
it in another favorite of his, cottage cheese.

Also, Kroger has a really good canned green bean
product called "really green" or something like that.

Even suitable for human consumption, unlike most
canned vegetables.

My dog is underweight. How do I fatten
him up without overloading his system with carbs?

And if fat is not a problem and, as some suggest,
an underweight dog may need less fiber, how about
cheese? He loves that too.



Usually, giving veggies that are high fiber
like the ones you mentioned are for dogs that
need to lose weight, so I would probably
avoid giving that to a dog I'm trying to put
weight on.

The food you mentioned (Innova) is actually a
very good food. I used to use it years ago to
keep weight on my "tough keeper" who lost
weight too easily (Oh that I had that problem ;-)

At this point, I would approach your dog's
diet very systematically and not be tempted
to throw foods at him willy nilly. You need
to make sure the diabetes is under control
first. Then you need to put a little bit of
weight on him (maybe). What criteria are you
using for this? What most people think of as
the correct weight for dogs is actually
bordering on obese. Even a lot of vets have
difficulty with this. I've seen more than one
vet tell the owners their dog could use a few
pounds on *highly* conditioned, well toned
dogs. They were just so used to seeing obese
dogs that their perspective had been skewed.

Once you have a good handle on those two, you
might find that you no longer even want to
experiment with fruits and veggies (not a
good plan, IMO).

I have to admit that I was extremely confused
by your description of events during your
dog's crisis. It could be my bout with the
flu, but I could barely make sense of it. Am
I misremembering that you don;t like or trust
your vet at all?

Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
A. Brain wrote:

3. I think the low-carb diet makes sense. I had been
giving my dog lots of human food, but not junky human
food. I'm now mixing in a little high-fiber dog food
and it's amazing how little information about content
(sugar, carbs, etc.) is on dog food, even specialized
dog food. For example, I can't really tell if the dog food that I
was giving him before is appropriate now. Innova
foods are probably better generally than Purina (high
fiber). But since he is underweight, some sources suggest
that a low-fiber diet is better.


One more point....

Fiber does not play any part in positive treatment for diabetes,
especially in dogs who don't need fiber in their diets at all. If
he's underweight feed him raw meat with the fat still on it, like
a chicken leg quarter or untrimmed beef. Fat is not the enemy
doctors make it out to be.

No.

But indiscriminate raw feeding can be.

I agree.

And yet you just suggested it.

You can read into it whatever you want to. It doesn't make it so.

Suggesting that someone with no experience feeding raw give their dog
generic chicken leg quarters or "raw meat with fat still on it" is
definitely suggesting that someone indiscriminately feed raw. Almost by
its very definition.

All I did was give a couple examples of foods that would be high in fat.
I did not claim anything else. I did not suggest that two examples were
a complete diet of any kind. You read more into it, probably
intentionally, than was posted.


Its irresponsible. People who have not done their homework, who have not
obtained a decent amount of information about how to do it safely have
no business giving their dogs raw chicken legs or any other raw meat.

That's not for you or me to decide and isn't the point I was making at
all. I gave examples of what to feed a skinny dog, nothing more, nothing
less.

And for you to tell them to do so is extremely irresponsible and can
lead to a lot of harm being done to the dog.

A lot of harm how? You and the other evil tribe members can't find fault
with what I actually say so you read into it anything you want to so you
can say I'm not responsible when you don't even have a point to make.

There is no harm in feeding a thin dog food that will fatten him up.

A. Brain wrote:
What about some fruit that is high in antioxidants? Like
blueberries or cantaloupe? He loves cantaloupe and used
to get quite a bit of it. It's relatively low in carbs and sugar.

No it's not.


I'm thinking that I need to grind up broccoli and put
it in another favorite of his, cottage cheese.

Why?


Also, Kroger has a really good canned green bean
product called "really green" or something like that.

Even suitable for human consumption, unlike most
canned vegetables.

My dog is underweight. How do I fatten
him up without overloading his system with carbs?

Stay away from fruits and veggies and feed meat with a lot of fat on it.


And if fat is not a problem and, as some suggest,
an underweight dog may need less fiber, how about
cheese? He loves that too.

I don't see a problem with feeding cheese other than too much will
constipate. Some cheeses are carb free altogether.