FurPaw wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Robin Nuttall wrote:
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Gotta bookmark this one, it's so sick!

What is sick is that you took it entirely out of context. She was
admitting to a mistake, a mistake she's regretted ever since, that she
learned from and uses to try to teach others. It takes a big person to
admit to a mistake.

FurPaw

A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's so
sick!

chardonnay9 wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

FurPaw


A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's so
sick!

Yep. I was in my early 20s. I was immature and had some other issues I
won't bore anyone with that made it very difficult for me to let go of
the one constant in my life, but it was truly a horrible thing to do to
any dog. Sick? No. Wrong? Absolutely.

Fortunately, some of us learn from our mistakes. I will always deeply
regret what I did with that one dog. But because of her, I have been
much wiser with all my other dogs who have come and gone, and each has
enjoyed as full a life as possible for as long as possible. When they
have gotten to a point where their quality of life is compromised I have
let them go. Allie taught me that. I'm sorry I had to learn it the hard
way.

"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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chardonnay9 wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

FurPaw


A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's so
sick!

Yep. I was in my early 20s. I was immature and had some other issues I
won't bore anyone with that made it very difficult for me to let go of
the one constant in my life, but it was truly a horrible thing to do to
any dog. Sick? No. Wrong? Absolutely.

Fortunately, some of us learn from our mistakes. I will always deeply
regret what I did with that one dog. But because of her, I have been much
wiser with all my other dogs who have come and gone, and each has enjoyed
as full a life as possible for as long as possible. When they have gotten
to a point where their quality of life is compromised I have let them go.
Allie taught me that. I'm sorry I had to learn it the hard way.

Well said. And I think Chard was wrong to be so judgmental and harsh about
a mistake that happened long ago and which you have acknowledged. But
sometimes people who feel that they are automatically criticized tend to
lash out. I have sometimes done that myself.

Paul and Muttley

Robin Nuttall wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

FurPaw


A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's
so sick!

Yep. I was in my early 20s. I was immature and had some other issues I
won't bore anyone with that made it very difficult for me to let go of
the one constant in my life, but it was truly a horrible thing to do to
any dog. Sick? No. Wrong? Absolutely.

Fortunately, some of us learn from our mistakes.

Yeah, and Chard is working on mistakes that
may well last a lot longer than a year. Her
entire approach in here, for example.

"That's just sick"

Of course Chard IS sick. Which could well be
why she is so hell bent on beating up the
rest of the world for not doing things her
*new* way.

New converts are always the worst when it
comes to uninformed zeal.

Tara Green wrote:
Robin Nuttall wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
FurPaw wrote:

FurPaw


A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's
so sick!

Yep. I was in my early 20s. I was immature and had some other issues I
won't bore anyone with that made it very difficult for me to let go of
the one constant in my life, but it was truly a horrible thing to do
to any dog. Sick? No. Wrong? Absolutely.

Fortunately, some of us learn from our mistakes.

Yeah, and Chard is working on mistakes that may well last a lot longer
than a year. Her entire approach in here, for example.

"That's just sick"

Of course Chard IS sick.

Oh, you'd love to think so, huh? It makes it easier to dismiss my posts.
Problem is I'm not sick at all unless you count very mild diabetes.


Which could well be why she is so hell bent on
beating up the rest of the world for not doing things her *new* way.

New? Not to me. Funny how you see me as "beating up" people while your
buddies pile on me trying to outdo themselves and you stay quiet.


New converts are always the worst when it comes to uninformed zeal.

I wouldn't know.

On May 14, 11:07*pm, chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:

Of course Chard IS sick.

Oh, you'd love to think so, huh? It makes it easier to dismiss my posts.
* Problem is I'm not sick at all unless you count very mild diabetes.


Oops. Guess even you don't believe in natural remedies when it comes
down to it. Sleeping pills and vicodin? What happened to chammomile
and peppermint?

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...a0dc29ad?hl=en

(FWIW, I never post people's words from another group, but the lying
was just getting to be a bit too much)

Tara wrote:
On May 14, 11:07 pm, chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:

Of course Chard IS sick.
Oh, you'd love to think so, huh? It makes it easier to dismiss my posts.
Problem is I'm not sick at all unless you count very mild diabetes.


Oops. Guess even you don't believe in natural remedies when it comes
down to it. Sleeping pills and vicodin? What happened to chammomile
and peppermint?

I also used colloidal silver, alpha lipoic acid, milk thistle, selenium
and a few other natural things. I used the natural remedies for over a
year, bringing down my viral load from over 7 million to under 2
million. The conventional drugs were for treating painful symptoms of
the conventional treatment.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...a0dc29ad?hl=en

(FWIW, I never post people's words from another group, but the lying
was just getting to be a bit too much)

There is no lying Tara. Anyone that uses herbal remedies knows that
sometime you need the harsher alopathic ones. I did during treatment,
which was successful BTW, and I was able to quit much of the alopathic
drugs once I was finished. I did suffer some permanent side effects from
the interferon and more might make it's self known as time goes by.
Herbals are the best choice but not the only choice.

Because the clinic doesn't support alternative treatments it's difficult
to get referrals for chiropractors for instance. I'd much rather have my
back adjusted than rely on pain meds. To do that I've had to fight with
the doctors and even change doctors when they weren't doing their job.

However, none of that is relevant and I fail to see how you can call me
(constantly) a liar when I'm not one. I've seen many false points made
about me but none can be backed up because those *are* lies.

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Tara wrote:
On May 14, 11:07 pm, chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:

Of course Chard IS sick.
Oh, you'd love to think so, huh? It makes it easier to dismiss my
posts.
Problem is I'm not sick at all unless you count very mild diabetes.


Oops. Guess even you don't believe in natural remedies when it comes
down to it. Sleeping pills and vicodin? What happened to chammomile
and peppermint?

I also used colloidal silver, alpha lipoic acid, milk thistle, selenium
and a few other natural things. I used the natural remedies for over a
year, bringing down my viral load from over 7 million to under 2 million.
The conventional drugs were for treating painful symptoms of the
conventional treatment.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.s...a0dc29ad?hl=en

(FWIW, I never post people's words from another group, but the lying
was just getting to be a bit too much)

There is no lying Tara. Anyone that uses herbal remedies knows that
sometime you need the harsher alopathic ones. I did during treatment,
which was successful BTW, and I was able to quit much of the alopathic
drugs once I was finished. I did suffer some permanent side effects from
the interferon and more might make it's self known as time goes by.
Herbals are the best choice but not the only choice.

Because the clinic doesn't support alternative treatments it's difficult
to get referrals for chiropractors for instance. I'd much rather have my
back adjusted than rely on pain meds. To do that I've had to fight with
the doctors and even change doctors when they weren't doing their job.

However, none of that is relevant and I fail to see how you can call me
(constantly) a liar when I'm not one. I've seen many false points made
about me but none can be backed up because those *are* lies.

Apparently the regulars have different definitions of lies when they go on
the attack for their own agenda. They scrutinize every word looking for
something they consider inaccurate or misleading, or even just a colorful
description, and label it as a horrible lie, while they make totally false
statements and accusations about people and apparently feel that is OK.

I commend you for using and recommending alternative natural treatments
that most people may not be aware of. Western medicine is far too dependent
on "magic pills" and symptomatic relief using increasingly expensive,
exotic, and possibly dangerous chemicals that are promoted for long-term
use to boost the insane profits of drug companies. I think a
well-researched balance of natural remedies along with a bare minimum of
alopathic drugs is the right choice.

Paul and Muttley

Paul E. Schoen wrote:
"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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chardonnay9 wrote:
FurPaw wrote:
FurPaw

A mistake that went on over a year? Yeah, right! Like I said, that's so
sick!
Yep. I was in my early 20s. I was immature and had some other issues I
won't bore anyone with that made it very difficult for me to let go of
the one constant in my life, but it was truly a horrible thing to do to
any dog. Sick? No. Wrong? Absolutely.

Fortunately, some of us learn from our mistakes. I will always deeply
regret what I did with that one dog. But because of her, I have been much
wiser with all my other dogs who have come and gone, and each has enjoyed
as full a life as possible for as long as possible. When they have gotten
to a point where their quality of life is compromised I have let them go.
Allie taught me that. I'm sorry I had to learn it the hard way.

Well said. And I think Chard was wrong to be so judgmental and harsh about
a mistake that happened long ago and which you have acknowledged. But
sometimes people who feel that they are automatically criticized tend to
lash out. I have sometimes done that myself.

Paul and Muttley



Thank you Paul for knowing how to give an opinion without the
accompanying flames so common here. We don't have to agree to be civil.

Char

I forgot to mention what a great post Paul! It is precise and explains
the situation here very well.

Paul E. Schoen wrote:

Melinda tends to jump on anyone she's not familiar with, which is why
this group doesn't have many people posting and rarely adds any new ones.
In the short time I've been here it has happened several times.
Dysfunctional group, dysfunctional "regulars".

I agree. There are enough dysfunctional regulars that they have formed a
powerful pack that has been successful in eliminating discussion except on
their terms. There are numerous examples where a newbie has been instantly
challenged and insulted in an apparent effort to keep them out the elite
group. Newcomers must exhibit submissive behavior and not dare present
opposing viewpoints, and the pack members will snarl and bare their teeth
and even try to inflict injury (using verbal equivalents such as vulgar
derogatory comments and profanity), to cause them to slink away. In one
noted case they ganged up on someone with obvious emotional difficulties
and caused her to lash out and then retreat into her own hell of bulemia
and anorexia. So this behavior is not without possibly serious
consequences, yet the pack are rewarded by their success and continue their
anti-social activities and even rejoice at their accomplishments.

As a public newsgroup, everyone has equal access to posting and reading
what they choose. If enough people with decent manners and a commitment to
open discussion become active, and ignore the efforts of the dysfunctional
regulars, they may eventually win control by superior numbers, and actual
rational and polite discussion may be the result. There are rules for most
face-to-face discussion groups, and they are largely ignored by people on
usenet because, well, "they can".

Paul and Muttley