In article FM0Ml.685506$yE1.667648@attbi_s21,
Robin Nuttall wrote:


As for "positive reinforcement," we've got a whole nother section in
another thread talking about how people misuse that term, as Lauralyn
has just misused it.

Lauralyn often seems to speak in tongues, so deciphering her posts can
get a bit challenging.

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Janet Boss" wrote in message
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I love observing other people train, but I think I'll stick to real
life. Unedited is so much more honest.

I agree with you here.
I like VS though, despite the drama (though I've not seen Greatest
American Dog!)
She wouldn't be my top choice for a behaviourist/trainer if I needed one
but I would trust her with my dogs.
I would rather Brian, the dog from Family Guy train my dog than CM. G
Alison

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LL wrote:
Again, I'm not surprise you find positive reinforcement a bs term,

I think what's actually at issue is "positive training," not
"positive reinforcement."
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

In article ,
"Alison" wrote:


I like VS though, despite the drama (though I've not seen Greatest
American Dog!)

Stick to Days of Our Lives ;-D

Seriously, I've never seen anyone who can be so weepy and sullen. She
did it a lot on GAD and she did it on this episode. I don't find that
very motivational! CM is at least a cheery guy (he kind of reminds me
of a hamster). Both of them are playing to the audience but I find his
general personality a whole lot more appealing (ok, except for the tssst
thing, which mostly gets on my nerves because JQP seems to think it's
some magic command). I'm sure they both have successes and failures
with the dogs.

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
news:FM0Ml.685506$yE1.667648@attbi_s21...
As for "positive reinforcement," we've got a whole nother section in
another thread talking about how people misuse that term, as Lauralyn has
just misused it.

Have we ? What thread is it in? The term PP is used here a lot on RPDB
which I'm surprised at.
Alison

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Janet Boss wrote:
Seriously, I've never seen anyone who can be so weepy and sullen. She
did it a lot on GAD and she did it on this episode.

Well, the whole reality show premise is to pump up the
drama, and I found GAD mostly intolerable (although I really
liked the boxer and his owner). Discovery has wrecked "The
Alaska Experiment" by changing the premise and larding it up
with telegenic youngsters with no outdoor skills
whatsoever. But that kind of thing, and what Stillwell is
delivering, seem to be what most people want.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

On May 5, 1:00*pm, "Alison" wrote:

*I would rather Brian, the dog from Family Guy train my dog than CM. G
*Alison

Now that is funny! lol

Lauralyn
Raw fed agility dogs
Shylo, Cheyenne, Lakota, Apache

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(Melinda Shore) wrote:

Discovery has wrecked "The
Alaska Experiment" by changing the premise and larding it up
with telegenic youngsters with no outdoor skills
whatsoever. But that kind of thing, and what Stillwell is
delivering, seem to be what most people want.

Sadly, you're right. I admit that I do enjoy some "reality tv". I
watch HGTV a lot, but always with the understanding that there are teams
of people in the background, that people are crazy to stock freshly
painted bookcases, and that the budgets are nowhere near realistic at
retail. Reality tv requires the we suspend belief. If the topic is a
room, who cares. When it's live animals, I think it is grossly
misleading.

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Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com

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Janet Boss wrote:
If the topic is a
room, who cares. When it's live animals, I think it is grossly
misleading.

I think the worst thing about those programs is when they
lead people to think they can solve their dog's problems by
copying what they think they see there. I'm happy to be
misled! But not about stuff that matters.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"Melinda Shore" wrote:

I think the worst thing about those programs is when they
lead people to think they can solve their dog's problems by
copying what they think they see there.

Yep. I've seen far too many people trying to copy Cesar Milan, especially
with the "tssst!" and poke thing, and getting it extremely wrong.
I've posted this before, but I watched someone take a Westie from a normal
untrained terrier on-leash - barking and lunging excitedly, but with no
aggression, at the sight of other dogs, and greeting fairly well if other
dogs actually approached - to major aggressive arousal, bared teeth,
snapping, etc. at any dog who got within 20 feet or so, in just under 2
weeks of "training like Cesar".