In article ,
Melinda Shore wrote:
You do ("luxury?").

And I should add that even if you enjoy watching train
wrecks, you can watch quietly. We know that talking about
Paul encourages Paul to post more (and in saying this I'm as
guilty as anyone, but SHEESH you people), and I tend to
suspect that a reason that Paul engages in risky behavior
with poor Muttley is that if something happens it gives him
a mechanism to draw attention to himself. That is to say,
the more you talk about Paul the more likely he is to do
something really stupid with the dog.

Anyway, even if I bought that it's absolutely necessary for
you to continue to read Paul's horror stories I don't buy
that it's necessary to discuss them.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

"sionnach" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

To clarify for anyone else coming in mid-thread: *I*
didn't say that; those are Paul's words, I merely quoted
him.

Which is why I left in the "". There were no Paul headers in
your post for me to include.

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--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

(Melinda Shore) said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

but SHEESH you people

Crikes, I've responded to one post concerning Paul (in how long?
Long enough for me to have forgotten the last) and it's *you*
people?

Now it's 3 in one thread.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"sionnach" wrote in message
...

"Rocky" wrote:

"sionnach" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

"When I unhooked his leash, my attention was mostly on the
other dogs chasing after balls and running around, and then
I heard a commotion and saw Muttley standing over the black
Lab puppy who was rolled over and yelping. I grabbed his
harness and pulled him off in a second, and the instructor
yelled "everyone grab your dogs". Muttley and I sat there,
myself in disbelief, while the injured dog was tended to,
and the instructor told us "You will have to leave, NOW", "

To clarify for anyone else coming in mid-thread: *I* didn't say that;
those are Paul's words, I merely quoted him.

This is unbelievable. Even the many dog novices I know know how
to avoid (or train/socialise against) situations like this. Or
at least be observant.

Yup. Especially if the dog has a past history of going after other dogs
in more than one situation (the prior attacks having occured once in a
training class and once while trail walking). What really gets up my nose
about this situation is despite the Muttley having had issues with
Labradors on at least 3 prior occasions (in Janet's class, at a PetsMart,
and on the trails), it apparently never occurred to Paul that perhaps he
should monitor him with this one.

You have the chronology incorrect. The first incident, of course, was in
Janet's class in October 2006. Muttley seemed fine meeting people and other
dogs, including Lucky in 2007, so I figured that incident was just
redirected aggression caused by the harsh training methods. Then in
September of 2008, while Muttley was walking with his new friend Larka, he
got into a tussle with a young black Lab, possibly because he was being
protective of Larka, who was rather submissive, and the Lab was not hurt. I
was very cautious after that, but then I took Muttley to a clicker training
class, where he was exceptionally well behaved even with three other male
dogs, including a black PitBull, who were being very reactive and snarky. I
was hesitant about taking him to the dog social offered by the trainer, and
I expressed my concerns to the point that I asked to come on a trial basis,
and then see if it was worth signing up for a series of four sessions.
Muttley's aggression there was quite unexpected, although it was probably
overwhelming for a dog of Muttley's personality to be immersed in a group
of perhaps 15-20 new dogs and strange people. The trainer later apologized
for being so abrupt, and she said she had never seen anything like it in
her six years of experience. Of course Janet ridiculed her about that, yet
she was caught by surprise as well, with all of her years with dogs.

At Petco (not PetSmart), I took Muttley to what was billed as a session on
getting to know your dog, but it was actually more of an introduction to
clicker training. Unknown to me, one of the dogs was a young male black
Lab, and I was very cautious and observant. The woman with the dog did not
seem very concerned, but when I saw the dogs go nose to nose, I thought
there might be a problem. Probably Muttley gave the dog a "look" that was
interpreted as a challenge, and the Lab snapped at Muttley, at which point
he backed up and I pulled him away. Later, the woman invited Muttley over
and offered him a treat, but her dog bared his teeth at Muttley when he
approached. So that was not a case of any aggression on Muttley's part.

And Muttley's play date turned out just fine. So what are all you mental
cases whining about? I'm just enjoying my dog and giving him some new
experiences and socialization. Y'all need to crawl back into your caves...


I wish I had the luxury of killfiling and ignoring Paul, but as long as
he lives near me, and goes to some of the same stores and parks, I
consider it wiser to keep informed. (Among other things, if I ever need
to defend one of my dogs against Muttley, I'll have evidence to back up
my actions.)

Now don't worry your little brane about my sweet dog.

Paul and Muttley

Paul E. Schoen wrote:

And you snipped all the good parts of my post, trying to make me look worse
to those who have me killfiled. Nice piece of work, Sandy...

There were good parts?

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"Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with
you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to
bark violently at nothing right in your ear." -Dave Barry

"Mark Shaw" wrote in message
...
Paul E. Schoen wrote:

And you snipped all the good parts of my post, trying to make me look
worse
to those who have me killfiled. Nice piece of work, Sandy...

There were good parts?

What's NOT good about this?

"This evening I took Muttley to friend's place, and she has a black male
dog, named Noir, who is half poodle and half Wheaten terrier. Noir seemed
rather excited to have a new dog in his yard, and it was a bit difficult
handling Muttley on leash while Noir ran around and charged at him. So I
unleashed Muttley and they ran around in the yard. Muttley probably would
have been happy enough just to explore the yard and mark his territory,
but Noir really wanted to play. I'm not sure Muttley quite knew how, and
I'm not sure he appreciated Noir playing bitey face and nipping at his
ears and feet, but they got along OK."

"Sometimes they would disappear behind trees and bushes. At one point
Noir came back to where we were sitting but we called Muttley and he was
not forthcoming. We found that he had jumped the fence to the neighbor's
yard and was happily staking it out as his own. Eventually I got Muttley
back to me and clipped his leash back on, and he hopped the fence back
into the yard. Eventually both dogs felt comfortable enough to lie down
in the grass near each other. It was a good socialization experience for
him, I think."

I guess some people are just miserable and frustrated and need to find
someone they can kick around so they feel better about themselves. Have you
stopped beating your dogs?

Paul and Muttley

"diddy" none wrote in message
. ..

Paul should be shot, and Muttley given to a decent owner (If there has
been
a new attack) and be done with it.

The gun ownership advocates say that guns don't cause violence, but here is
evidence that a well-known pistol-packin' mama is advocating using a
firearm to settle a problem she seems to have with me. I'm sure she would
not say that if she were not an avid fireaems enthusiast and proud of her
carry permit and occasional use of her gun. She has also said that she
would have used her gun in some circumstances if she had been allowed to
have it.

So, should I pack my own heat when I come down to Silver Spring for Tuck's
dog show? Do I need to wear body armor? Does this constitute a valid threat
that should be reported to the authorities? Hmmmm...

And here's another threat by Diddy:

"I would not ALLOW Muttley to meet Tuck. EVER."

"And if you made a move to unsnap Muttley's leash, I'd shoot Muttley
DEAD."

"And justify it by your assault."

http://jyte.com/cl/threatening-viole...net-is-a-crime
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

Paul and Muttley