On 23 May 2009 13:55:25 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

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sighthounds & siberians wrote:
I know this will come as a real shock, but the above are not Chard's
words; they're a quote from the web site.

But c'mon - isn't it AWESOME that Catherine was sent
scintific papers? That means that you know it's all
TRUE!!!!!!!!

Very awesome. Whatever "scientific papers" are. And who sent them to
Catherine? They just came in the mail one day? I have so many
questions.

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Very awesome. Whatever "scientific papers" are. And who sent them to
Catherine? They just came in the mail one day? I have so many
questions.

You're a nitpicker! They're from a *scientist*, and
scientists are really smart so you should just take
Catherine's word for it.

Who's Catherine, BTW?
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

On 23 May 2009 18:03:57 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote:

In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Very awesome. Whatever "scientific papers" are. And who sent them to
Catherine? They just came in the mail one day? I have so many
questions.

You're a nitpicker! They're from a *scientist*, and
scientists are really smart so you should just take
Catherine's word for it.

Maybe if I could see these scientific papers.

Who's Catherine, BTW?

Why, she's Catherine O'Donnell, who asked "why?" after her two of her
beautiful young Golder Retrievers tragically died, and who founded
CHC.

Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature
has designed, over millions of years, and which has made the species
thrive for millions of years.

Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions." Carry on making **** up.

"Darwin was wrong about dogs. He thought their remarkable diversity
must reflect interbreeding with several types of wild dogs. But the
DNA findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of
wolves, though this domestication may have happened twice, producing
groups of dogs descended from two unique common ancestors.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of
speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild
until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human society
long before humans settled down and began practicing agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans
domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them.
Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they
discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out
of the cold."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_015_02.html

Facts???


Hey! This means they haven't eaten a pure Wolf Diet in a LOT loner than
many people think!

(Good lord, was this supposed to be new info?)

Apparently it is to Melinda!

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
sighthounds & siberians wrote:
Very awesome. Whatever "scientific papers" are. And who sent them to
Catherine? They just came in the mail one day? I have so many
questions.

You're a nitpicker! They're from a *scientist*, and
scientists are really smart so you should just take
Catherine's word for it.

Who's Catherine, BTW?

http://www.puppyworks.com/speaker/odriscoll.html
Catherine O'Driscoll is a founder of Canine Health Concern, and the
author of 'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines'.

In their quest for answers, John and Catherine formed Canine Health
Concern (CHC), an international group of veterinarians and animal
guardians who research the causes of good and bad health in today's
dogs. From this came the first (and only) definitive piece of research
into the adverse effects of vaccines in dogs. CHC also began to promote
natural feeding during the early '90s, and campaigned to make animal
guardians aware of natural healthcare alternatives.

'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines' became a word-of-mouth
bestseller and was the subject of a network TV documentary which
screened in the UK and around the world.

http://www.vaccinationnews.org/Cathe...oll_letter.htm
http://celticlion.wordpress.com/tag/...ine-odriscoll/

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Catherine O'Driscoll is a founder of Canine Health Concern, and the
author of 'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines'.

No, the "who's Catherine" question was a "why should I give
a **** about what she says?" question, which remains
unanswered. You only cite cranks, you don't cite
researchers. Catherine is a crank, not a researcher, which
brings us back around to the question of why I should pay
attention to what she says.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
CHC advocates real food for dogs. That is, food that Mother Nature
has designed, over millions of years, and which has made the
species thrive for millions of years.

Not to throw some facts into the mix, but dogs date back
about 15,000 years, not "millions." Carry on making **** up.

"Darwin was wrong about dogs. He thought their remarkable diversity
must reflect interbreeding with several types of wild dogs. But the
DNA findings say differently. All modern dogs are descendants of
wolves, though this domestication may have happened twice, producing
groups of dogs descended from two unique common ancestors.

How and when this domestication happened has been a matter of
speculation. It was thought until very recently that dogs were wild
until about 12,000 years ago. But DNA analysis published in 1997
suggests a date of about 130,000 years ago for the transformation of
wolves to dogs. This means that wolves began to adapt to human
society long before humans settled down and began practicing
agriculture.

This earlier timing casts doubt on the long-held myth that humans
domesticated dogs to serve as guards or companions to assist them.
Rather, say some experts, dogs may have exploited a niche they
discovered in early human society and got humans to take them in out
of the cold."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/li.../l_015_02.html

Facts???


Hey! This means they haven't eaten a pure Wolf Diet in a LOT loner
than many people think!

(Good lord, was this supposed to be new info?)

Apparently it is to Melinda!

Um, no. Once again, your inability to read
and ingest what she's *actually* saying is
rearing its ugly head.

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Catherine O'Driscoll is a founder of Canine Health Concern, and the
author of 'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines'.

No, the "who's Catherine" question was a "why should I give
a **** about what she says?" question, which remains
unanswered. You only cite cranks, you don't cite
researchers. Catherine is a crank, not a researcher, which
brings us back around to the question of why I should pay
attention to what she says.

Because she wrote a word of mouth bestseller
(Really? A bestseller? Like the official NYT
bestseller, or some made up bestseller list?)
and therefore should be revered.

Pandering to paranoia is another qualification.

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Catherine O'Driscoll is a founder of Canine Health Concern, and the
author of 'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines'.

No, the "who's Catherine" question was a "why should I give
a **** about what she says?" question, which remains
unanswered. You only cite cranks, you don't cite
researchers. Catherine is a crank, not a researcher, which
brings us back around to the question of why I should pay
attention to what she says.

I'm sure she'd be please to know what you think of her. I just don't
know why you think she and I would care if you personally pay attention
to her.

I'm struck by the similarity in name of this Catherine whoever's
organization (CHC) and the Canine Health Information Center (CHIC) which
is, indeed, a legitimate organization affiliated with the OFA and the
AKC CHF which helps breed clubs identify genetic disease issues and
register dogs which meet a breed club's criteria for genetic health.
(http://www.caninehealthinfo.org)

The play of CHC and CHIC reminds me of other acronyms like ACK and CKC
as bogus breed registries, playing on the initials used by real
registries (AKC and CKC). Gives me a bit of a sour taste in my mouth.