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chardonnay9 wrote:
I'm sure she'd be please to know what you think of her. I just don't
know why you think she and I would care if you personally pay attention
to her.

It seems pretty clear to me that if you're citing her as an
authoritative source in response to something I posted, you
care a very great deal. Why you're citing a random crank as
an authoritative source is left as an exercise, etc.

BTW, NY Times columnist Nick Kristof had an opinion piece on
hunger in Africa in this morning's paper. He claims:

Yet one of the great Western misconceptions is that
severe malnutrition is simply about not getting enough
to eat. Often it's about not getting the micronutrients
right -- iron, zinc, vitamin A, iodine -- and one of the
most cost-effective ways outsiders can combat poverty is
to fight this hidden hunger.

and goes on with supporting citations and whatnot:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/op...ml?ref=opinion.
Interesting, huh?
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
I'm sure she'd be please to know what you think of her. I just don't
know why you think she and I would care if you personally pay attention
to her.

It seems pretty clear to me that if you're citing her as an
authoritative source in response to something I posted, you
care a very great deal. Why you're citing a random crank as
an authoritative source is left as an exercise, etc.

To something *you* posted? I started the thread and I post to inform
those who read here and rarely or never post because of vicious people
like you.

Random crank?

"British Author Wins Prestigious American Writing Award

In Search of the Truth About Dogs, a DVD written by Catherine
O’Driscoll, has received the prestigious Award of Best DVD of 2008 by
the Dog Writers’ Association of America. Catherine will receive a
Maxwell – the Oscar of the dog world. in_search_of_the_truth_about_dogs

In the film, Catherine O’Driscoll interviews a number of leading vets,
including Richard Allport, Michael Fox and Christopher Day, the
scientist Gary Smith, and professional dog trainer Keith Dickinson. The
heart of the film is provided by enthusiastic dog lovers from the UK,
America and Canada, who express their joy at the health of their friends
since changing their dogs to raw, biologically appropriate food, and
saying ‘no’ to unnecessary and potentially harmful vaccines."
http://www.bark-n-blog.com/2009/02/1...th-about-dogs/



BTW, NY Times columnist Nick Kristof had an opinion piece on
hunger in Africa in this morning's paper. He claims:

Yet one of the great Western misconceptions is that
severe malnutrition is simply about not getting enough
to eat. Often it's about not getting the micronutrients
right -- iron, zinc, vitamin A, iodine -- and one of the
most cost-effective ways outsiders can combat poverty is
to fight this hidden hunger.


That is exactly why I feed raw and not crap in a bag.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
To something *you* posted?

Yeah, to something I posted.

You've got, like, no useful filters. If you agree with it
you think it's authoritatie and if you don't agree with it
you think it's not, which is precisely backwards from how
people with reasonably decent intellectual skills work.
Every award is "prestigious" - I had a good laugh this
morning when I was browsing the yellow pages and saw that
every limousine company here in Green Acres has won national
safety awards. Yee-haw - "Catherine" is a random crank
who's suckered people like you.

That is exactly why I feed raw and not crap in a bag.

It's exactly why your advice is so incompetent. You can't
even answer basic questions about macronutrients, let alone
micronutrients.
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
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chardonnay9 wrote:
Catherine O'Driscoll is a founder of Canine Health Concern, and the
author of 'What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines'.

No, the "who's Catherine" question was a "why should I give
a **** about what she says?" question, which remains
unanswered. You only cite cranks, you don't cite
researchers. Catherine is a crank, not a researcher, which
brings us back around to the question of why I should pay
attention to what she says.

I'm sure she'd be please to know what you think of her. I just don't
know why you think she and I would care if you personally pay attention
to her.

Apparently you do, or you wouldn;t have used
her as a "cite".

Generally cites should be from credible
sources, not just someone that has no
qualifications or anything more than having
written their opinion down because they
"received scientific papers in the mail".

No one here sought her out to dismiss her
opinion. YOU brought her into this discussion
as an "expert". So, clearly you do care what
people think of her, after all, one of the
things that qualified her as an expert was
the number of people tat read er book and
agreed wit her. In fact, as far as I can
tell, that's about ALL the qualifications she
has. Which is fine. I can like the arguments
and discussions of some folks that don't have
qualifications (if I didn't, I wouldn't spend
time on usenet), but I'm sure as hell not
going to just take what they say as fact
simply because they said it.

Good grief. It would be great if you could
learn some critical thinking skills.

chardonnay9 wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
I'm sure she'd be please to know what you think of her. I just don't
know why you think she and I would care if you personally pay
attention to her.

It seems pretty clear to me that if you're citing her as an
authoritative source in response to something I posted, you
care a very great deal. Why you're citing a random crank as
an authoritative source is left as an exercise, etc.

To something *you* posted? I started the thread and I post to inform
those who read here and rarely or never post because of vicious people
like you.

Random crank?

"British Author Wins Prestigious American Writing Award

In Search of the Truth About Dogs, a DVD written by Catherine
O’Driscoll, has received the prestigious Award of Best DVD of 2008 by
the Dog Writers’ Association of America. Catherine will receive a
Maxwell – the Oscar of the dog world. in_search_of_the_truth_about_dogs

Why don't you go look up some of the other
folks who have won that ward....numerous times.

Just because that award was given, doesn't
mean they are right, doesn't mean they are
good at what they do, and doesn;t even mean
that they are humane. Good idea to do your
homework before spewing this kind of thing as
proof of....well anything at all.



BTW, NY Times columnist Nick Kristof had an opinion piece on
hunger in Africa in this morning's paper. He claims:

Yet one of the great Western misconceptions is that
severe malnutrition is simply about not getting enough
to eat. Often it's about not getting the micronutrients
right -- iron, zinc, vitamin A, iodine -- and one of the
most cost-effective ways outsiders can combat poverty is
to fight this hidden hunger.


That is exactly why I feed raw and not crap in a bag.

Yeah....except that you have admitted you
don;t check any aspect of their nutrient
intake. You just assume that they're getting
all the macronutrients that they need as long
as you plop down some meat and bones in front
of them. Rookie mistake.

Tara Green wrote:


That is exactly why I feed raw and not crap in a bag.

Yeah....except that you have admitted you don;t check any aspect of
their nutrient intake. You just assume that they're getting all the
macronutrients that they need as long as you plop down some meat and
bones in front of them. Rookie mistake.

Why do you make stuff up like that?

Tara Green wrote:

Good grief. It would be great if you could learn some critical thinking
skills.

It would be great if you'd stop making **** up.

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...bersisters.htm

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chardonnay9 wrote:
Why do you make stuff up like that?

It's not "made up" - it's what you'e posted. You've said
that as long as you feed raw the dog's nutritional needs
will be met. You've also failed to provide any specifics
about nutrition in any of your posts. For a very recent
example, when you recommended a high-fat diet for a dog the
owner said is thin, you didn't say what percentage of the
diet the fat should constitute, and when offered an
opportunity to fill in the blank you remained silent. You
don't post about nutrition because you don't understand
nutrition.
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Melinda Shore wrote:
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Why do you make stuff up like that?

It's not "made up" - it's what you'e posted. You've said
that as long as you feed raw the dog's nutritional needs
will be met.

Nope, I didn't say that so that's a lie.


You've also failed to provide any specifics
about nutrition in any of your posts. For a very recent
example, when you recommended a high-fat diet for a dog the
owner said is thin, you didn't say what percentage of the
diet the fat should constitute,

I gave examples which is no different and easier for the newbies to
understand so that's a lie.

I see you still have to make stuff up.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Nope, I didn't say that so that's a lie.

Here's one example:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...04ba10ee4a5dc9

Note that you didn't say "their nutritional needs can be met
with a raw diet" or "their nutritional needs can be met with
a raw diet when you do these specific things" or even "their
nutritional needs will be met if you pay attention to
nutrition." Nope, it's a flat-out, unqualified "Their
nutritional needs are met perfectly with a raw diet."

That may not have been what you were intending to say, but
you've said it often enough to lead one to suspect that it
is what you were intending to say.

I gave examples which is no different and easier for the newbies to
understand so that's a lie.

Sorry, nope. You did not talk about the need for a balanced
diet or the need to pay attention to nutrition. If you know
something - my G-d, *anything* - about canine nutrition it
should be very, very easy for you to recommend a specific
fat level. But hey, I've come to believe that you're
slightly retarded - no joke. Half of the people on the
planet are of below-average intelligence, and I've got very
little doubt that you're one of them. Your brain just
doesn't work very well.
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Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community