Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph nodes.
Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in a better mood
to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about the MSM.

Fingers crossed .............

Steve

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Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph
nodes. Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in a
better mood to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about the MSM.

Fingers crossed .............

Steve

"SteveB" wrote in message
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Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph
nodes. Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in a
better mood to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about the MSM.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Re. MSM: According to one of my profs who is a 'joint expert', there are no
good peer reviewed studies indicating the effectiveness of any of the
nutriceuticals in relieving joint pain (MSM, Glucosamine, Chondroiten),
that being said I have personally noticed a difference with my dogs since
putting them on a Glucosamine/MSM/Multivitamin supplement (CT Support).

I went through a *huge* debate some years back on the orthodogs yahoo group
trying to determine what an 'appropriate' dose of MSM was (if you're
curious, look it up). After some research, it seemed as though there was no
well established dose, and no reason behind the dose that was typically
quoted (other than that is what people generally gave).

If I recall correctly (and we're going back quite a ways), the dose
typically recommended was about 40mg/kg/day, but the references I came up
with varied hugely.

Dale

Dale Atkin wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
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Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph
nodes. Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in a
better mood to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about the MSM.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Re. MSM: According to one of my profs who is a 'joint expert', there are
no good peer reviewed studies indicating the effectiveness of any of the
nutriceuticals in relieving joint pain (MSM, Glucosamine, Chondroiten),
that being said I have personally noticed a difference with my dogs
since putting them on a Glucosamine/MSM/Multivitamin supplement (CT
Support).

Imagine that! Something that works even though there are no good studies
about it. That should never happen....

but it does all the time. Big Pharma controls almost all studies so of
course why do one that would prove a solution they can't control? Why do
one that shows their meds aren't needed as often as previously thought?


I went through a *huge* debate some years back on the orthodogs yahoo
group trying to determine what an 'appropriate' dose of MSM was (if
you're curious, look it up). After some research, it seemed as though
there was no well established dose, and no reason behind the dose that
was typically quoted (other than that is what people generally gave).

Maybe because that dose caused results? That would be the best reason.


If I recall correctly (and we're going back quite a ways), the dose
typically recommended was about 40mg/kg/day, but the references I came
up with varied hugely.

Dale

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Dale Atkin wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
news
Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph
nodes. Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in a
better mood to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about the
MSM.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Re. MSM: According to one of my profs who is a 'joint expert', there are
no good peer reviewed studies indicating the effectiveness of any of the
nutriceuticals in relieving joint pain (MSM, Glucosamine, Chondroiten),
that being said I have personally noticed a difference with my dogs since
putting them on a Glucosamine/MSM/Multivitamin supplement (CT Support).

Imagine that! Something that works even though there are no good studies
about it. That should never happen....


I have always believed the old adage from Hamlet re. "There are more things
on heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophies". That
doesn't mean I'm willing to swallow random non-sense. It means that if given
plausible explanation for something, that isn't contradicted by something
else that I am more sure of, then I keep an open mind.

If existing research already had the answers to every problem, the
univerisities would be shut down.

I went through a *huge* debate some years back on the orthodogs yahoo
group trying to determine what an 'appropriate' dose of MSM was (if
you're curious, look it up). After some research, it seemed as though
there was no well established dose, and no reason behind the dose that
was typically quoted (other than that is what people generally gave).

Maybe because that dose caused results? That would be the best reason.

But would a higher dose give better results? What about a lower dose (yes,
some things work better at lower doses)? Are there side effects of higher
doses that offset benefits? There are no answers (that I've seen) to these
questions. From everything I've read, it seems like the numbers are just
being pulled out of thin air.

Interestingly, I spoke with someone who 'determined' the appropriate dose of
metamucil to give to a dog. It was pulled totally out of thin air, then the
dose was tested to see if it worked. It did, so it went down in the
literature. There was no testing to see if more would be better, or if less
would be just as effective, but you see people all over the place quoting
the number as 'the dose'.

Dale

Dale Atkin wrote:

"chardonnay9" wrote in message
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Dale Atkin wrote:

"SteveB" wrote in message
news Took Liberty (mix Lab Rott) to the vet last Thursday. Swollen lymph
nodes. Got her on antibiotics for a week, then recheck when she's in
a better mood to let the vet touch her. Didn't even ask him about
the MSM.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.

Re. MSM: According to one of my profs who is a 'joint expert', there
are no good peer reviewed studies indicating the effectiveness of any
of the nutriceuticals in relieving joint pain (MSM, Glucosamine,
Chondroiten), that being said I have personally noticed a difference
with my dogs since putting them on a Glucosamine/MSM/Multivitamin
supplement (CT Support).

Imagine that! Something that works even though there are no good
studies about it. That should never happen....


I have always believed the old adage from Hamlet re. "There are more
things on heaven and earth Horatio, than are dreamt of in your
philosophies". That doesn't mean I'm willing to swallow random
non-sense. It means that if given plausible explanation for something,
that isn't contradicted by something else that I am more sure of, then I
keep an open mind.

There are very few of those on this group! LOL!

I go a step further and see if it works for me personally. Homeopaths
for instance. The first one I met online was, I think, full of **** and
I was fortunately enough to look into it again after that. Sounds
unbelievable that you can give someone a remedy that by definition is
pure water and have it fix something but I've seen it work several
times. (Here come the flames from one of the loons I am sure)


If existing research already had the answers to every problem, the
univerisities would be shut down.

That would be pretty boring don't you think? Learning is fun and not
boring.


I went through a *huge* debate some years back on the orthodogs yahoo
group trying to determine what an 'appropriate' dose of MSM was (if
you're curious, look it up). After some research, it seemed as though
there was no well established dose, and no reason behind the dose
that was typically quoted (other than that is what people generally
gave).

Maybe because that dose caused results? That would be the best reason.

But would a higher dose give better results? What about a lower dose
(yes, some things work better at lower doses)? Are there side effects of
higher doses that offset benefits? There are no answers (that I've seen)
to these questions. From everything I've read, it seems like the numbers
are just being pulled out of thin air.

Well don't hold your breath. Drug companies will only research what they
have to, to hold down costs but at the pets' expense way too often.


Interestingly, I spoke with someone who 'determined' the appropriate
dose of metamucil to give to a dog. It was pulled totally out of thin
air, then the dose was tested to see if it worked. It did, so it went
down in the literature. There was no testing to see if more would be
better, or if less would be just as effective, but you see people all
over the place quoting the number as 'the dose'.

Dale

I see your point.