Tara Green wrote:

She embraces western medicine for herself when it suits her, but denies
its benefits for her animals (and those of other people) when they may
need it.

I guess you are so desperate to discredit me that you have to lie to do
it huh?

Sad.

Sadder still is that most the pets on this group don't get the wonderful
care that mine do.

So why do you rawfeed Tara? How is it you can't answer that?

"Rocky" wrote in message
...
"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I was thinking about seeking an exemption
for Shadow (10) next year when it comes time to license him
again.

My area is one of the few in North America which doesn't require
a rabies vaccination, though I still have it done because the
downside is horrible. That said, my 11 year old probably had
his last rabies vac last year - he's due in 2 more years but
he's aging quickly so probably won't need another 3 year
vaccination.

Are there specific reasons for you seeking an exemption for
Shadow?


Nothing specific (i.e. illness) but rather some general reasons and
uneasiness. Last summer he developed a lump at the injection site that
lasted for several weeks, excessive panting of unknown origin, and his older
age.
I'm starting to question my vaccine schedule for al my animals. Another one
I'm starting to question is the Lyme. I've always given it but my current
vets don't believe it is very effective. Using things like Frontline makes
me uneasy, rather irrational but there it is.

Kathy

On Jun 25, 4:20*am, Tara Green wrote:
Nessa wrote:
On Jun 20, 7:57 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
I have heard that the height at which a dog's plate is put is important.

It's worthless. Your lack of comprehension is mind boggeling.

kat wrote:
"Rocky" wrote in message
...
"kat" said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I was thinking about seeking an exemption
for Shadow (10) next year when it comes time to license him
again.
My area is one of the few in North America which doesn't require
a rabies vaccination, though I still have it done because the
downside is horrible. That said, my 11 year old probably had
his last rabies vac last year - he's due in 2 more years but
he's aging quickly so probably won't need another 3 year
vaccination.

Are there specific reasons for you seeking an exemption for
Shadow?


Nothing specific (i.e. illness) but rather some general reasons and
uneasiness. Last summer he developed a lump at the injection site that
lasted for several weeks, excessive panting of unknown origin,

Once he's had these symptoms you can (and should) get an exemption from
the rabies shot and there is an increased chance the next shot could
cause even more problems. Vaccine reactions should be reported so that
the real number of problems from them can be known. At his age he's had
way more rabies vaccines than he could ever use. It only takes one to
have a lifetime of protection.

and his older
age.
I'm starting to question my vaccine schedule for al my animals.

There us a Yahoo group called Just say no to vax you might want to check
into. There are lots of people on there that are doing the same thing.
Don't just
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/jstsayno2vaccs/

Another one
I'm starting to question is the Lyme. I've always given it but my current
vets don't believe it is very effective. Using things like Frontline makes
me uneasy, rather irrational but there it is.

Frontline is a pesticide so you are not being irrational at all. If you
read the warnings on the box you will wonder why it's even sold. I use
diatomaceous earth for fleas and it works well without harming pets or
humans. There are also nematodes and other non-poisonous ways of keeping
the bugs at bay.


Kathy



This is from the Frontline website:

"Wash hands after use. Do not smoke, eat or drink during application.
Treated animals should not be handled until the application site is dry,
and children should not be allowed to play with treated animals until
the application site is dry. It is therefore recommended that animals
are not treated during the day, but should be treated during the early
evening, and that recently treated animals should not be allowed to
sleep with owners, especially children."

So it's not ok to touch the animal with it on yet it's ok to put it
right on the dog? Doesn't make sense!

Fipronil (the active ingredient in Frontline) is a possible carcinogen
and a potential ground water contaminate. It is a suspected endocrine
disruptor. In animals and humans, fipronil poisoning is "moderate" in
terms of acute (immediate) toxicity. Source:
http://www.pesticideinfo.org/Detail_...35768#Toxicity


And check this out.
http://www.sailhome.org/Concerns/Bod.../Fipronil.html

In 1996 when fipronil was introduced for commercial use in the U.S., it
was praised as a safer insecticide because it appeared to target
invertebrates rather than vertebrates.

Fipronil selectively acts on GABA and glutamate receptors. It kills an
insect by disrupting its central nervous system. The mechanism for this
'selectivity' is not completely understood.

Newer research now shows that exposure to low concentrations is toxic to
vertebrates including mammals and humans. The mechanism is excitotoxic.
Excitotoxins cause neurons to become so over-excited that they burn out
and die.

Fipronil has been shown to mutate proteins and to kill human liver
cells at concentrations of 0.1 nM. Using fipronil's molecular weight
= 437.15 g/mol leads to


Calculate fipronil exposure


That is a ~very~ low exposure. Meanwhile, the government allows fipronil
residue in foods at levels 220x to 34,000x higher.

The researchers noticed that the dose-response curve was non-monotonic.
In other words, the smallest doses were more toxic than larger ones (see
hormesis for more about this kind of toxic behavior).

Also, the researchers found that fipronil sulfone, a chemical left over
after fipronil breaks down, was more toxic than fipronil itself.

Fipronil sulfone caused cell death at lower doses.

This study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en..._uids=12361121
found that, one day after applying FrontLine to an adult dog, petting
it for just 5 minutes while wearing gloves resulted in exposure of 600 ppm.

Typical owners handle their pets more than 5 minutes per day.

Also, any surface the pet contacts will become contaminated, thereby
increasing exposure. Dander will also remain toxic for a period.
Children and anyone suffering an excitoxin-related illness are at higher
risk. Veterinarians and other pet care providers also have increased risk.

A study on mice found that fipronil poisoning caused excitation in the
central nervous system, leading to damage in nerve cells related to
the over-expression of glutamate transmitters. This is evidence of
excitotoxicity.

In other studies where the animals survived, fipronil

‣ Disrupted endocrine activity and caused adverse reproductive effects

‣ Impaired spinal cord development

‣ Caused developmental delays, reduced brain weight, reduced cognition,
hearing impairment and hair loss

‣ Caused thyroid cancer


And here is the most alarming news of all:

Fipronil is 1 of 16 pesticides selected to be monitored in a study
sponsored by industry and planned by the EPA.

The study set out to pay families $970 to videotape their children after
exposing them to pesticides and other dangerous chemicals for 2 years.


Intentions about the study leaked out, and after more than a year of
pressure the EPA said it would not 'run' the study.

Although the EPA is no longer providing direct funding for the study, it
is being undertaken as a 'private' study by the American Chemistry Council.


Children will still be intentionally exposed.

The study intends to use children from birth to age 3.

In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
"Wash hands after use.

Hey! That's what they say about chicken.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Do you guys eat your young?

chardonnay9 wrote:
Tara Green wrote:
SteveB wrote:
"Tara Green" wrote in message
...
SteveB wrote:
I have heard that the height at which a dog's plate is put is
important.

I have a Mutt and Jeff situation, a Corgi and a Lab/Rott.

I am going to build a higher platform for the Lab/Rott, as I think
it is better for them. I just need to do it right, because if it
isn't right, and the bowl scoots and makes any noise, then she
shies away from it.

And I have problems with the Corgi coming over when we're not
watching and intimidating the Lab/Rott away from her dish, and then
gorging himself.

So, I'd be solving two problems at once.

But I'd like to hear logical opinions about the height of a dog's
feeding platform.
Since the topic of bloat has come up, one major factor in this is
what type of food you feed.

Are they on kibble?

Kibble/canned food mix.


Nevermind.

Good luck with that.

Why you ducking out Tara? How is it you raw feed but never give
background on that decision? Why do you feel it's what you should feed
to your pets?

You know you've hit a nerve when they ignore the chance to reply....