HOWEDY malinda you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten
lyin animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case,

"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
chardonnay9 wrote:
Many times when you reduce the carbs the diabetes can actually
disappear. Since kibble is very high in carbs it's about the worst food
he can eat.

I wondered where you pulled that "very high in carbs" stuff
from, and I found out! It came from the usual orifice.

That's your typical response to ANY THING you don't understand, malinda.

Unfortunately it's difficult to find guaranteed analyses
that include carbohydrate content (because folks like you
focus on ingredients to the exclusion of nutrition,

Of curse {}: ~ )

I think),

THAT'S your PROBLEM, malinda; YOU DON'T THINK
pryor to LYIN SLANDERIN LIBELIN an DEFAMIN {}: ~ (

but Science Diet provides reasonably complete
analyses of their products

You mean like ALL commercial dog food?

and in every comparable case I looked at the canned
version of a food had slightly higher carb content than
the kibbled version of the food. For example:

Hills Pet Adult Advanced Fitness Beef & Chicken (canned): 52.4
Hills Pet Adult Advanced Fitness Original (dry): 52.3
Hills Pet Adult Active Longevity Gourmet Beef Entree (can): 60.4
Hills Pet Mature Adult Active Longevity (dry): 56.1

Each of these is on a dry matter basis.

You've never done your homework and I'm not sure why I'd
expect you to start now, but it seems to me that if you were
*actually* concerned about people taking shots at you you'd
be a little bit more diligent about verifying your facts
and avoiding posting stuff that's factually wrong. However,
you don't, and I'm left with the conclusion that you like
the responses you get.

PERHAPS Chardonnay9 READ THIS FIRST, malinda?:

Newsgroups: hfx.general
From:
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009
Subject: I buy the 18 kg sized bag


Newsgroups: hfx.general
From: "
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 20
Subject: I buy the 18 kg sized bag

I buy the 18 kg sized bag and I think I paid around
$15 for that size. One bag lasts a month or so and
my son works for Superstore so I get a small discount
off the price with his employee discount.

As for Peter's comments in another post, on the bag
it says that the food is fortified with vitamins and minerals and it
contains no artificial colors or flavours.

It also states on the bag that this product is
"Certified by the Canadian Veterinary Medical
Association to meet its nutritional standards".

I feel confident Dr. Bail would not lead me astray
by recommending we buy "cheap food".

SNIP QUOTED TEXT

I`m not sure what`s going on but this person has
posted my response to a thread we were discussing
on dog food several months ago.

That is my identical post, word for word.

Weird.


Newsgroups: hfx.general
From:
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 06:42:05
Subject: I buy the 18 kg sized bag

On Jun 8, 9:01 am, oldtrout wrote:


wrote:
I`m not sure what`s going on but this person
has posted my response to a thread we were
discussing on dog food several months ago.

That is my identical post, word for word.

Weird.

OK I'll ask you. What brand?


Thanks


--
oldtrout - àrsaidh-breac
Gum bi si\th leat


It is just Superstore's "No Name" brand of dog food.

--------------
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -
Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community

Hey malinda? Have you ever heard of these terms?:

defamation
noun
1. a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of
someone's words or actions


2. an abusive attack on a person's character
or good name [syn: aspersion]


----------------


li?bel
noun, verb, -beled, -bel?ing or (especially British)
-belled, - bel?ling.


-noun 1. Law. a. defamation by written or printed words,
pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.


b. the act or crime of publi****ng it.


c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing
the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.


2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or
damagingly misrepresents.


-verb (used with object) 3. to publish a libel against.


4. to misrepresent damagingly.


5. to institute suit against by a libel, as in an admiralty court.


slan?der
-noun 1. defamation; calumny: rumors full of slander.


2. a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or re****t:
a slander against his good name.
3. Law. defamation by oral utterance rather than by writing,
pictures, etc.


-verb (used with object)
4. to utter slander against; defame.


-verb (used without object)
5. to utter or circulate slander.


---------------------

Here's the kind of LYIN SLANDERIN MAGGOT malinda is:

From: DelusionalDimensionsRecoveryDDR @i-love-dogs.com
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:08:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Traveling with your dog


wrote in message


news:cf2a7026-e03d-4cdb-
...



On Dec 6, 1:13 am, (Melinda Shore)
wrote:
In article 6b1b18f8-b528-46d8-b020-
, wrote:

Has anyone usedwww.imaspammer.netto book either
a flight or a vacation package? My husband and I want to go
on vacation with our 2 labs and just found this company. They're
the only company I've ever seen that let's you fly with your dogs
in the cabin.

It was an unbelievable nightmare. Never again!

Please IGNORE malinda and her entourage of pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin animal murderin punk thug
coward active acute chronic life-long incurable
malignant maliciHOWES mental cases and dog trainin
FRAUDS an obfuscationists.


Have you expanded upon your reasons for saying that using
that business "was an unbelievable nightmare"

malinda has never heard of the company and if she
ever DARED to travel with her dogs in the cabin of
a plane she'd cause everyWON to be in FEAR of her
dogs GOIN INSANE and attackin EVERY WON some
more like HOWE her own dogs do to each other {}: ~ (

LIKE THIS:


"I'm also a fan of picking up the rear end of one
of the dogs, not only because it's a distraction
(although if the dog is really overwrought it simply
won't notice at first - another reason I have my
doubts about the thumb-up-the-butt technique) but
also because the dog partially loses traction
and mobility.


I like to sing "The Girl From Ipanema" while I'm
holding onto a dog's hind end during a fight - it
keeps my breathing regular and helps me stay calm,
plus it's just a really great song."


[That's my favorite. The image of Melinda singing
"The Girl From Ipanema" while holding a dog's rear
end will always spring before my eyes from now on,
whenever I'll be thinking of what bliss being a
mainstream trainer must be]


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha


vior/msg/a61c39..



It seems to me that a situation in which injury is a highly possible
outcome is one in which you ought
to take extra care in providing responsible advice.


Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, malinda?:


wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote: In article PiVCe.9349$2h1.6011@trnddc05, Christy
wrote:

Ahhhh. I didn't catch that, 'cos I have that
name in my killfile. Very, very good catch,
Paula.

Guess that's another sock puppet revealed...


This kind of thing is pretty easy to check. Most news interfaces stick
the poster's IP address somewhere in the header. Google constructs an
"Injection-Info" header.

In this case Jerry was posting from 24.110.196.12 and Loser from
217.132.121.111. Other fields in the header are consistent with the
two posts coming not just from different addresses but from different
continents.

I think that in this case what probably happened is
that Jerry gave a virtuoso display of his complete
inability to master an editor.

I realize that Lucy is such a bonehead that you can't help thinking
that it's not possible for someone to be such a dolt and there must
be some other explanation, but as I've said before, it's in the nature
of averages that somebody/ something has to be below average,
and thus it is that we have Lucy.

Sure. Not all of us are gifted enough to sing "The
Girl of Ipanema" while simultaneously holding a dog's
rear end (how do you do it with a Great Dane or a
Saint Bernard, Melinda?

THAT must be a sight to see!),


so a simple-minded person like me needs
a simple working method like Jerry's.


Lucy



As nearly as I can tell from this post and others, you've
never dealt with a serious behavior problem
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -




Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based


community


-------------


BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


In malinda's "REALITY BASED-COMMUNITY" the truth
and facts AIN'T so much important as her FEELINS


abHOWET HOWE she and her MENTAL CASE PALS WISH
things actually were, and based on those WISHES
they fabricate their EXXXPERIENCES which they
can never achieve in REAL LIFE and relates them


to their equally incomptent mentally ill pals on
my forums.


IN OTHER WORDS, malinda and company are
INSANE LYIN DOG ABUSIN COWARDS {}: ~ (


malinda's dogs are too HOWETA CON-TROLL to be
taken with her on board a airplane. She can't even safely
walk WON of them in the park withHOWET molestin a innocent
defenseless dumb critter.

LIKE THIS:


From: Melinda Shore
Date: Tues, May 9 2006 2:21 pm
Email: (Melinda Shore)


In article ,
Ilja Friedel wrote:



You can never stress enough what dangers threaten the average dog
(cougars, bears, snakes to name a few).


Many, many years ago I used to take my (I thought)
well-behaved, well-trained dog out on the trail off-
leash.

One evening as it was getting dark she saw
a deer she wanted to chase and took off.


As in gone.


So there we were, wandering around in the dark for
several hours trying to find a dog that could have
run 20 or more miles in the time it took to finally
find her.


That was the end of off-leash hiking for us.


It doesn't even have to be an attack for
bad things to happen to your dog.


--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based


community


-------------


BWEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


Do they allHOWE kats on board? That'd be the
coupe de gras for the kats AND the airline:


Tues,Apr 19 2005 6:54
Subject: Introducing New Dog to Household Cats
sighthounds & siberians wrote:



I was going to ask how cat things were coming with Crow and Eclipse.


Not great! I had been just closing off the upstairs
bedroom (a baby gate with the door fixed ajar about
six inches keeps the dogs out better than you'd expect), but the cats like
to hide in the wall of
the linen closet (gotta love these old houses!) when
they're nervous and Crow and Eclipse tore apart the
linen closet to try to get to them.

That's when I closed off the upstairs entirely.


They're also a bad influence on Cinder, who started
out thinking of the cats as dinner but who had learned
to live with them in peace until her sisters arrived.


I think it's possible but, frankly, improbable that
they're eventually going to be safe with the cats.


--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based


community


---------------


SEE?


In article ,



wrote:
What sort of punishment would you suggest?
I hesitate to recommend any because I have very
little firsthand experience with this sort of thing.


Depends on the dogs, etc. When I've been bitten
breaking up a dog fight I've been so angry that
clearly the best thing was for the dog and I to be
in different spaces, so effectively he was punished
by isolation (which also kept him away from the
other dogs).

I also made a *lot* of noise (yelling, cursing, etc.)


and the dogs don't like that.


I'm usually very, very quiet (yes, really).



http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha


vior/msg/0444b7...

The safest way to break up a fight is to throw
water on them, although they sometimes don't notice
and it's not practical if you're indoors.



[Yeah, must be kinda wet and messy]
Second, dogs may or may not hurt each other resolving dominance issues,
and it's not a question of size.
Females are more likely to resort to violence and
I think they're more likely to carry a grudge, but
it's not guaranteed.


Like your "trainin methods", eh malinda?:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha


vior/msg/a61c39...


This is actually one area where I found the Dunbar
stuff to be extremely helpful, even though he tended
to focus on aggression against strange dogs and Saber
was having problems with the other dogs in the house.


Dunbar gives objective criteria for evaluating how
serious the problem is.


Once I realized that the dogs really weren't trying
to kill each other I found the situation to be
something I was more able to deal with calmly, myself.



[Now that's a relief!]
Third, submissive females are called bitches, too.


Naaah?

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha


vior/msg/bd42f1...


One thing that I've found very helpful is to keep
notes - when the fight started, where they were, and
what set it off. A log will be particularly useful
if you decide to seek professional help.



[For the dog, or for the trainer?]


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha

vior/msg/5ad625...


When my dogs hear one of my cats retching, all 4
of them run over and stand in a circle around the cat
waiting for him to finish puking. I think it's really
cute but I've found that there's a limited number of
people who think so, too.



[Yeah, some people just don't have a sense ofhumor]


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.bree

ds/msg/df9c116a...



diddy wrote:
there are never any winners in a fight. Only losers


I think the loser here is the person who
asked about dog fighting.


[Silly diddy! What does she know about the fun of carrying around buckets
of water, waiting for an opportunity to throw them on fighting dogs?]


-------------------

SEE??


I don't think the new airline company will benefit
by takin on business from this Gang of DOG LOVERS.


HERE'S HOWE COME:


In malinda's REALITY-BASED COMMUNITY women
function with women as MEN and THAT makes
everyWON VERY VERY HAPPY:


From: michael
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 01:01:53 GMT
Subject: Training with Wits End



Melinda Shore wrote:
In article , Paul B wrote:
People are invited to read Jerry's manual and draw their own conclusions,
just as they are entitled to naively attend a Koehler dog training course
and draw their own conclusions.

By stating the choice like this you're implying, perhaps deliberately,
that the choice is between Jerry and Koehler, that if you're not following
Jerry's mish-mash of stolen material then you're necessarily hanging your
dog.
This ridiculous construction is why people really dislike Jerry rather
than simply ignoring him.


Aside from people taking personal affront, it's a lie.



You tell lies about Jerry every time you open your
fat mouth you stupid ugly despicable defamating c#@t
from heel.

You just said he has no dogs and that he's not a dog
trainer. Both massive defamatory lies, designed to
defame and discredit, you dumb****ing fugly fatass
ugly dumb ****ing c&#t from heel. What the **** planet
do you live on that you think you can get away with
this crap and then turn around and call somebody a
liar ???


You and your pals lie and slander every time you say
Jerry stole his methods and you lie every time you
talk about the "original sources" that you never
provide.


You tell lie upon lie upon lie until you suffocate
in your own bullshit. There's not a dog trainer alive
with a mOORe original and a mOORe unique and
Un"stolen" methodogy than Jerry Howe.

It's not our fault that you can't get a date!


Take your lies and bitterness and poison somewhere
else. YOu have nothing to offer here but LIES,
SLANDER, INNUENDO, BITTERNESS, and SELF-HATE.


Jerry is a SAINT compared to you.


At least he does SOMETHING good for people.


You do nothing. You are wretched and despicable and
beneath the most lowly of contempt. You disgust me
utterly. As liars come, you're about the best that
Usenet has to offer. You have no shame and you have
no conscience.


Here's a newsgroup for you:


rec.old.bitter.lonely.jewish.B--USH (as in George)
loving.lesbian. SUVdriving.terrorist.supporters
go there Malinda, Queen of Snakes.


Begone and trouble us noMOORE


--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com



--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community


-------------------------

SEE??


BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


Here's MORE of malinda's REALITY:


From: Melinda Shore
Date: Fri, May 6 2005 9:08 am
Email: (Melinda Shore)


[]
I realized that the new dog honeymoon period was
over last Thursday when Crow attacked Image and
did enough damage to require a visit to the vet
(deep puncture wound on the left foreleg).


Image is a stoic but this one left her crying.


Dog fights make me nauseous, and it turned out to be
a queasy weekend when Crow attacked Eclipse on Friday
and Cinder on Saturday.


I was feeling a little panicky, wondering whether or
not we'd be able to get the situation in hand and
prevent this from becoming a continuing problem,
and thinking about the logistics of keeping Crow
separated from the others when I'm not there.


Then I realized: 1) Crow had attacked each female
exactly once and hadn't attacked any of them again
(or even raised a lip), 2) she hadn't attacked any
of the males, and 3) several days had passed, not
only without incident but with everybody frolicking
together as they had before.


Crow had apparently decided where she wanted
to be in the pack (on top) and she had deliberately
and methodically gone about communicating her
intentions, and it was settled quickly and that was
that.


I've never seen a dog do anything that looks quite
so organized, and while I was quite distressed while
it was going on I'm still kind of impressed at her
deliberateness.


--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the


reality-based community


----------------------------


SEE? SEE?? SEE???


Perhaps malinda would calm the other distraught
passengers her dogs PAINICKED with her SINGIN?

From: Melinda Shore
Date: Fri, May 6 2005 9:08 am
Email: (Melinda Shore)


[]
I realized that the new dog honeymoon period was
over last Thursday when Crow attacked Image and
did enough damage to require a visit to the vet
(deep puncture wound on the left foreleg).


Image is a stoic but this one left her crying.


Dog fights make me nauseous, and it turned out to be
a queasy weekend when Crow attacked Eclipse on Friday
and Cinder on Saturday.


I was feeling a little panicky, wondering whether or
not we'd be able to get the situation in hand and
prevent this from becoming a continuing problem,
and thinking about the logistics of keeping Crow
separated from the others when I'm not there.


Then I realized: 1) Crow had attacked each female


exactly once and hadn't attacked any of them again
(or even raised a lip), 2) she hadn't attacked any
of the males, and 3) several days had passed, not
only without incident but with everybody frolicking
together as they had before.


Crow had apparently decided where she wanted to be
in the pack (on top) and she had deliberately and
methodically gone about communicating her intentions,
and it was settled quickly and that was that.


I've never seen a dog do anything that looks quite
so organized, and while I was quite distressed while
it was going on I'm still kind of impressed at her
deliberateness.


--



Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the


reality-based community

----------------


Perhaps malinda would calm the other distraught
passengers her dogs PAINICKED with her SINGIN?:


LIKE THIS:


"I'm also a fan of picking up the rear end of one of
the dogs, not only because it's a distraction
(although if the dog is really overwrought it simply
won't notice at first - another reason I have my
doubts about the thumb-up-the-butt technique) but
also because the dog partially loses traction
and mobility.


I like to sing "The Girl From Ipanema" while I'm
holding onto a dog's hind end during a fight - it
keeps my breathing regular and helps me stay calm,
plus it's just a really great song." [That's my
favorite.


The image of Melinda singing "The Girl From Ipanema"


while holding a dog's rear end will always spring
before my eyes from now on, whenever I'll be thinking


of what bliss being a mainstream trainer must be]


http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.pets.dogs.beha


vior/msg/a61c39..



It seems to me that a situation in which injury is
a highly possible outcome is one in which you ought
to take extra care in providing responsible advice.


Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, malinda?:


wrote:
Melinda Shore wrote: In article PiVCe.9349$2h1.6011@trnddc05, Christy
wrote:
Ahhhh. I didn't catch that, 'cos I have that
name in my killfile. Very, very good catch, Paula. Guess that's
another sock puppet revealed...

This kind of thing is pretty easy to check. Most news interfaces stick
the poster's IP address somewhere in the header. Google constructs an
"Injection-Info" header.

In this case Jerry was posting from 24.110.196.12 and Loser from
217.132.121.111. Other fields in the header are consistent with the
two posts coming not just from different addresses but from different
continents.

I think that in this case what probably happened is that Jerry gave a
virtuoso display of his complete inability to master an editor.

I realize that Lucy is such a bonehead that you can't help thinking that
it's not possible for someone to be such a dolt and there must be some
other explanation, but as I've said before, it's in the nature of averages
that somebody/ something has to be below average, and thus it is that
we have Lucy.

Sure. Not all of us are gifted enough to sing "The
Girl of Ipanema" while simultaneously holding a dog's
rear end (how do you do it with a Great Dane or a
Saint Bernard, Melinda?

THAT must be a sight to see!),


so a simple-minded person like me needs
a simple working method like Jerry's.


Lucy



As nearly as I can tell from this post and others, you've
never dealt with a serious behavior problem

Oh? You mean LIKE THIS, malinda?:


"Melinda Shore" wrote in message
...


In article
,


monica2 wrote:
There is really no need to be disrespectful.



"When you only got a hammer...", eh, monica2??


I thought it showed remarkable restraint on his
part to be as respectful of your transparent, crappy
ad as he was.


Yeah. Seems matty's doin ALOT better than malinda
since he's increased his ANTI-PSYCHOTIC medications

and set his posts not to EXXXPIRE in six days so's
HE CAN SEE HISSELF for the pathetic miserable stinkin
rotten lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active
acute chronic life-long incurable malignant
MaliciHOWES MENTAL CASE that he is.


Recognization is the 1st step to recovery,
don't you know? Ask taragreen2 {}: ~ )


WOULDN'T YOU AGREE, malinda??



How's the Get Rich Quick on the Inner Tubes
working out for you?


Probably ALOT better than malinda's methods. malinda
can't even CON-TROLL her "sled dog team" to go past
a innocent defenseless puppy on leash with his owner:

Subject: prong collar caution
In article Vu92j.7651$r81.6487@trndny05,



filly wrote:

Don't you love it when the dogs do everything right and someone is
actually watching!



Well, it's going to take a lot of doing everything
right and frankly a lot of training to make up for
early last week, where someone was walking her
Australian Shepherd cross along the road as we
came up the section of trail that paralleled it.

My dogs went nuts, pulling towards them and
barking their heads off (and they rarely bark).


Ideally I'd be able to park the rig and pull the
dogs around, but even though I had the brakes locked
on the rig they were still pulling it.


So, I knew that if I got off the dogs would
take off after her.


I dropped the snow hook, which I've been using
as a ground brake, but it landed prong-side up
and that only compounded the problem because
as the dogs were pulling us forward the snow
hook was coming under the rig and the prongs
were inching towards the tires, which would have
been shredded (snow hooks:


http://www.nooksackracing.com/dog_sled_brakes_hooks.ht


ml).


This poor woman was clearly trying to pretend
that a team of four dogs wasn't barking their
heads off at her, trying to pretend that they
weren't trying to come over for a visit,
trying to pretend it was just a normal walk
down the road.


And in the meantime my dogs effectively
got away with really bad behavior.


So, a friend is coming over today to be an attractive
nuisance on the trails while we work on "on by," and
yes, I was pleasantly surprised when the dogs didn't


try to go visit Tom, standing in the hedgerow.


--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -





Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based


community


------------------------------


SEE???


BWEEAAAHAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


Seems pullin the dogs arHOWEND when they GO
INSANE and try to ATTACK innocent passersbye
is more PRACTICAL and EFFECTIVE than actually
TRAININ them. HOWE COME do you suppHOWES
malinda didn't SING to them {}: ~ )


Welcome to YOUR OWN REAL LIFE REALITY you pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lying dog abusing mental
case {}'; ~ )


------------------


SEE, paulie?


paulie CONtinues:



Yup. Didn't notice the multiple posts, and
didn't bother checking the link.


HOWEver, paulie don't have NO PROBLEMO for readin
ALL the LYIN ANIMAL MURDERIN MENTAL CASES who jerk
choke shock bribe crate intimidate surgically sexually
mutilate an MURDER innocent defenseless dumb critters
an LIE abHOWET IT.

LIKE THIS:


Here's paul e. schoen givin a puppy snuggle:



paulie wrote:


Your non-violent methods for dogs ring hollow
when you use verbal violence against other dog
owners, thus triggering their own opposition
reflexes. I will try other non-violent methods
that communicate what is expected of the dog.

And I don't believe that proper use of a prong
collar or choker chain are evil and physically
hurtful.


[snip verbal abuse]


So you think it is effective to withold praise,
but offer it as a bribe to get people to follow
your methods? Or promise you will stop beating
them if they obey your commands? Yet never do
it for a dog?


Paul and Muttley (almost fully recovered
from Arbitrary Praise Neurosis)


"so now he accuses me of yanking and choking my
dog on a prong collar to force him into obedience,"


(See, I give praise!) (but not for bad behaviors...)


----------------


You and your MENTAL CASE PALS PREFER to HURT and
INTIMIDATE innocent defenseless dumb critters to
compensate for your fragile defective egos, weak
fearful minds and colossal inferiority complexes.


You've ALWAYS BEEN a dog abusin COWARD:


From: "Paul E. Schoen"
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:01:40 -0400


Subject: i hate off-leash dogs.


I do miss the days of my childhood when we thought
nothing of walking our medium sized, very sweet and
friendly dog without a leash, although sometimes we
did when we were near a busy road.


Yet I have a very vivid and terrible memory of
the time when my dog was viciously attacked
by a larger dog in the woods near our house.


The girl who owned the dog was beating it with
a stick, and I stabbed it in the neck. Both dogs
survived, but after that, I always carried a stout
stick with me when walking our dog.


This was back in the 60s, when leash laws were
very lax or non-existent, and before everybody
was lawsuit crazy, and when the few drug dealers
and thugs in the few bad areas of town were
deathly afraid of all big dogs.


Paul, Muttley and Lucky


---------------------


SEE??


BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


SEE??


Those "LIES" are direct QUOTED POSTED CASE
HISTORIES you DOG LOVERS would PREFER
not be remembered, don't you REMEMBER, paulie?


"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon
or leather choke collar) over his snarly little
head, and give him a stern correction"
--Janet Boss


Here's paulie's CUSTOME MADE
pronged spiked pinch choke collar:


http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt



"J1Boss" wrote in message


...

He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss



"sionnach" wrote in message


...


"J1Boss" wrote in message
...
I can't imagine needing anything higher
than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
dog like a Lab.


An INSENSITIVE DOG???


I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.


Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

janet CONtinues:



My dogs are not human children wearing fur-
they are DOGS. I don't have anything against
electronic bark collars, but they should be used
in conjunction with actually working at training
your dog(s).


They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

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SEE?


LIKE THIS, you pathetic piece of crap:


Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death


"Paul E. Schoen" wrote


Hello everyone:


If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.


I will add a bit more history later in this post.


Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.


The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.


I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.


Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.


That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.


When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.


She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.


She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.


"They can't all be saved".


snip


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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!


SEE? SEE?? SEE???


HERE'S HOWE COME:


Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:


#2 - 6/05/07



When I was training him under Janet's supervision I was instructed to
give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks on a chain choke
collar. I hate the things.
She was able to get his attention with just a quick
tug, but I had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get
him to respond.

Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear,
which he had for her (as an unknown), but not for
me (whom he had learned to trust).
He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident
trainer. Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.


Janet.



It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.

Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.


Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.


Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.


Paul and Muttley


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HERE'S HOWE COME:


Subject: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07



"Janet Boss" wrote in message


...

It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.


What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.


I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have
enough obedience to avoid it.


While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.


We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.


--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com


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SEE??


BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!



So I guess my response was not what he wanted.


That so, paulie? YOU PUBLICIZED his "SPAM" {}: ~ (


Paul and Muttley


AND THAT'S HOWE COME you AIN'T GOT THE
INTELLECT
To HOWEtwit The Cunnin Of The Domestic
Puppy Dog Or Kitty Kat...

UNLESS THEY'RE DEAD